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5 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2008 - 8:44AM #1
Nephelim
Date Joined: Jul 10, 2001
Posts: 144
All I want is the official rules for Epic Binders... it was mentioned in the December and Beyond preview as being part of #361, and I've seen hide nor hair (nor scent nor fleeting glimpse) since...
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2008 - 9:18AM #2
doctorhook
Date Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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Yeah, we're waiting on a number of things from that preview, yet.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2008 - 6:09AM #3
JWT
Date Joined: Aug 2, 2005
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Well, looks like you got your wish.

So maybe they are slowly getting it together?

Also, it looks like one of the vestiges is a direct reference to the biblical plagues visited on the Egyptians by Moses.

Interesting to say the least.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2008 - 6:48AM #4
ankhseeker
Date Joined: Mar 19, 2007
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I'm not seeing any binding DCs- does their epic potency mean you've got no hope of overmastering their influence? That's cool and all, but I'd like to see it stated explicitly.

I really like the vestiges and feats, though.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2008 - 7:07AM #5
Nephelim
Date Joined: Jul 10, 2001
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ankhseeker wrote:

I'm not seeing any binding DCs- does their epic potency mean you've got no hope of overmastering their influence? That's cool and all, but I'd like to see it stated explicitly.

I really like the vestiges and feats, though.


I agree, that is cool...

Each epic vestige is its own feat, wich means you can't ignore the pre-requisites either.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2008 - 7:21AM #6
hellmute
Date Joined: Mar 31, 2008
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The epic vestiges found below are even more powerful than their nonepic counterparts, since they represent the fractured remnant of a dead god that sacrificed itself for its people, the essence of a continent that an alien creature consumed, the collective souls of the slain firstborn of an empire, or the displaced soul of an alien harbinger of apocalypse.


Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was a cute little movie, but I do not really see why it should be added to D&D.

All these soul collectors just sound like twisted liches or something.

I understand they are trying to add new things and such, but can we get something new rather than copied form other mediums of fantasy entertainment?

Someone mentioned ring being containers for trapped souls and that be the reason low levels could not use rings, in another thread. This looks like it agree with that idea. I am not really in favor of such a thing being part of D&D.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 09, 2008 - 10:45AM #7
Hoorayforn00bies
Date Joined: Sep 21, 2006
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Well, also that egyptian-like vestige reminds me certain biblical passage... I think almost everything had been invented or at least sounds familiar. Maybe its just my imagination.

After all, I liked the article, most non-core classes looks like they were forgotten, just apeared in a supplement and then banished. They might need some expantion rules.

Tome of Magic and Tome of Battle are incredible books, I hope it could be something similar to maneuvers and vestiges in the new edition.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 10, 2008 - 12:20AM #8
goldomark
Date Joined: Feb 23, 2007
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Love the Epic Binder article. The vestiges are great. Eytan Bemstein does great work. I loved is Epic Warlock feats and alot of his articles.

He has a great future as a DnD designer and he knows the DnD history and flavor. Maybe there is a glimmer of hope in 4e.

Of course I might be a little bius since he studied in montréal and loved it.
Some dude once said: "If WotC would put crap in boxes with the DnD logo on them, some people would still call it the best product WotC has made."

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 10, 2008 - 5:08PM #9
ncc4781
Date Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Oh I totally agree with you, Eytan is a great designer. What he did in the MIC was awesome and I am stocked to hear that he is working on the Tome of Treasures too.

But then I am also might be bius since I have gamed with him in the past.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 10, 2008 - 5:26PM #10
Leliel
Date Joined: Mar 3, 2008
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hellmute wrote:

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[sarcasm] Yeah, it bears a vague similarity to a certain crappy movie, so it must be a copy of it!

Never mind the hundreds of authors who have come up with similar concepts without even hearing of the others, not to mention the fact that it the similarities beyond are minimal.:rolleye2: [/sarcasm]

Look up "convergent development" sometime. You might learn something.

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