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6 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2007 - 7:28AM #1
Talibus
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2007
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Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious. Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer. This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed.

What the D&D player really wants is both a physical copy of the magazine and an electronic copy. Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand?
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2007 - 10:49AM #2
Loki5654
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Talibus wrote:

Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious.


I disagree. I find reading articles online interesting.

Talibus]Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer.


I disagree. I find that being able to scroll through or search an article online makes the article easier to read wrote:

Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer.[/quote]
I disagree. I find that being able to scroll through or search an article online makes the article easier to read.

Talibus]This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed.


While I cannot completely disagree with your point about eBooks, the recent proliferation of Blogs and Wikis suggests that online publishing is not as much of a failure as you might think wrote:

This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed.[/quote]
While I cannot completely disagree with your point about eBooks, the recent proliferation of Blogs and Wikis suggests that online publishing is not as much of a failure as you might think.

Talibus]What the D&D player really wants


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there.

Are you really prepared to speak on behalf of all D&D players everywhere? Have you done exhaustive interviews and polling and scientifically proven that all D&D players everywhere want the same thing?

I find that idea laughable, mostly because I know I disagree with you so you obviously don't speak for all D&D players everywhere.

I'm willing to let that statement slide under the heading of "unintentional hyperbole", but you should be careful of making such statements in the future wrote:

What the D&D player really wants[/quote]
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there.

Are you really prepared to speak on behalf of all D&D players everywhere? Have you done exhaustive interviews and polling and scientifically proven that all D&D players everywhere want the same thing?

I find that idea laughable, mostly because I know I disagree with you so you obviously don't speak for all D&D players everywhere.

I'm willing to let that statement slide under the heading of "unintentional hyperbole", but you should be careful of making such statements in the future.

Talibus]Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand?


I doubt it.

I'm pretty sure Wizard's business plan doesn't include a "let them print their own" philosophy.

If they see a market for it, however, there may be printed collections of the online articles available for sale. Maybe.

Also, as just about anyone who has tried to print out a PDF of the PHB or other book will tell you, you end up spending more on ink than a published book would have co wrote:

Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand? [/quote]
I doubt it.

I'm pretty sure Wizard's business plan doesn't include a "let them print their own" philosophy.

If they see a market for it, however, there may be printed collections of the online articles available for sale. Maybe.

Also, as just about anyone who has tried to print out a PDF of the PHB or other book will tell you, you end up spending more on ink than a published book would have cost you.

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2007 - 4:07PM #3
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I would prefer printed copies, but that's just me. My reading life doesn't consist of me staring at a screen all the time, and that's where the magazine comes in handy. But I wish Wizards luck with this. They could ay least do a print on demand deal if they wanted to, but it makes too much sense I suppose.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2007 - 7:47PM #4
Azzoun
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I must say, I love collecting the books. Over the years I HAD a nice collection going. I won't get into my ex-wife going nuts. Anyway, I like the idea of buy the books to have. But...I do see how all the vast material available on the web would be nice to have. I mean, they give you print options on all of it. So why not have frnt/back covers available for the different sections. It would be nice to download a bunch of stuff from various catagories and have front/back to go with it for personal binding.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 26, 2007 - 5:35AM #5
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I intend to see what they deliver at the end of October before I tell them what I would prefer they do instead.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion:
  • Three Basic Rules (p 11)
  • Power Types and Usage (p 54)
  • Skills (p178-179)
  • Feats (p 192)
  • Rest and Recovery (p 263)
  • All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)

A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 26, 2007 - 9:16AM #6
Artifact
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Seeker95 wrote:

I intend to see what they deliver at the end of October before I tell them what I would prefer they do instead.


I don't have to wait until October . I'll tell 'em right now. I prefer print; I may very well read the online articles and collected "magazines" but I will always miss Dragon and Dungeon Magazines.

I'll miss collecting them, because now all I'm "collecting" are a bunch of computer files. That's one reason I'm anxious for October, so I can see what kind of file format Dragon/Dungeon will take. As I write this, I can only guess that they will be presented as a PDF file that I can *download* (don't tell Mike I used that word, 'kay :P) to my computer. Oooh, I can't wait . . . heh, yeah, I can .

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 26, 2007 - 9:44AM #7
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At the moment, I personally prefer print copies. It's incumbent upon WotC to change my mind come October.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 26, 2007 - 5:40PM #8
Azzoun
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Online/Downloadable is a nice option...but that is all it should be, an option. I do understand from a business standpoint that goind all online will save the company a ton of money! Now we mustn't forget WotC IS a company that will always have a certain bottom line. Lets just hope that by saving that money, they will pump it in to the new 4th Edition and blow us away with it.

I still hope/wish they would do something to give the option of front/back printables for those that wish to download the various things they have available.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 26, 2007 - 8:01PM #9
Board_Rider
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I like the new articles online. I would like them more if they were more usable to me but, as far as I am concerned, obie-kabie.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2008 - 2:19PM #10
Talibus
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2007
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Here we are in March and I have to say that my earlier feelings are still here. Now I don't even bother looking at the Dragon or Dungeon pages because I just don't read any of the on the computer. Printing them seems like an ok idea but just doesn't happen in practice. Now I read Kobold Quarterly - a print magazine with the same type of articles that were in Dragon.

Ah well...
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