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Esperifiel wrote:

**Just to clarify a few things in here, from what I've read...

- Ghost Sound is NONVOCAL, so no talking.
- Mage Hand is spectral, which is VISIBLE.
- Presti to move air is called making a breeze, not creating a vacuum.
- Presti is 1 cubic foot. 3 Presti effects is 3 cubic feet -- which may or may not be enough for one full outfit change. And changing the color of an outfit or adding a small mark or symbol doesn't change its other characteristics, such as cloth to leather, or traveler's clothes to nobleman's clothes.
- Presti lets you make a SMALL, HANDHELD item invisible. Means both small and handheld -- in your hand -- not one or the other.

I think some of these points can be argued against:

-Ghost Sound: I think this is more of the text saying that it can be non-vocal as well as vocal. If this wasn't so I don't think it would say you can "whisper quietly enough that only creatures adjacent to the target can hear your words." Emphasis mine.

-Actually 3 prestidigitation spells are not 3 cubic feet. That would require 27. 1 cubic foot is 1x1x1 which we can call a "square" for our example. 3 cubic feet is 3x3x3 which would be 3 squares long, 3 wide and 3 deep. That being said, with the exception of plate mail, no set of clothing when off the human body can possibly take up more than one cubic foot. Take a set of clothes and just look at it in a pile. Since a cubic foot can be stretched and distorted in any way of your choosing it shouldn't matter if it's on your body or not.

-Handheld is an adjective describing an object as, "Compact enough to be used or operated while being held in the hand or hands" not whether or not it is in your hands at the time.

Esperifiel wrote:

Ghost Sound: You cause a sound as quiet as a whisper or as loud as a yelling or fighting creature to emanate from the target. You can produce nonvocal sounds such as the ringing of a sword blow, jingling armor, or scraping stone. If you whisper, you can whisper quietly enough that only creatures adjacent to the target can hear your words.

Well I'm sorry for you. However, I don't know anyone else who reads it like that and I think you are limiting the use and creativity of it by doing that.

I'm going by the explicit reading. Either you produce nonvocal sounds from the target, or you whisper and it sounds like it's coming from the target. If you want Ghost Sound to speak, it means it has to come from your mouth, and it's your voice. The entire point of the whisper text is that if you whisper, you only hear speech coming from a single source: the target. It doesn't mean you can perform acts of ventriloquism without speaking or make a magic mouth. There's a ritual for that.

And three cubic feet is exactly that: a cubic foot, times three. 27 cubic feet is three feet cubed. Ever go buy soil? It's sold in bags, two cubic feet each. That's 1' by 2' of soil, not 2' by 2'.

One cubic foot is 7.5 gallons. Grab a five gallon paint bucket. Take off your shoes, socks, jeans, shirt. Put them in the bucket. It might fit. It might not. Add a coat. It'll overflow for sure. Add a cloak? Not possible. A wool cloak would fill more than a single bucket by itself. See how a single outfit could easily be more than 3 cubic feet.

You're right about the 3 cubic feat this. I am tired and I wasn't thinking straight.

Websters defines handheld as, "held in the hand." Wow, go figure...

You seemed top ignore this part of the definition: "designed to be operated while being held in the hand <handheld computer>." A handheld phone does not stop being a handheld phone when it leaves your hand.

Esperifiel wrote:

I am limiting Ghost Sound to a RAW interpretation. Presti as well, regarding disguises. An at-will cantrip can't be effectively used to disguise oneself, because Disguise Self already exists, as a level six daily utility. And as the Presti text says: "This cantrip cannot duplicate the effect of any other power."

Cantrips do not let you change your features the same way Disguise Self does.