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Wyld_Mutation wrote:

Anyway... "Staff" is a keyword... The weapon "Quarterstaff" has the "Staff" keyword. The implement "Staff" has the "Staff" keyword. A Wizard may use a "Staff" as an implement.

Staff is not a keyword, please see PH2 for a current keyword list.

Wyld_Mutation wrote:

This is why you DO NOT REUSE KEYWORDS. If WotC says a "Quarterstaff" doesn't have the same "Staff" keyword as a "Staff" implement then they need errata. Until then there is no listing "Staff (implement)" in the Wizard implements block, only "Staff" therefoe they may use any "Staff" keyword item.

Staff is an implement type listed in the PH1, see the equipment section. The wizard class is clearly refering to the implement type, not the weapon group.
Wizards of the Coast has bad editors and has for a long time. Their books end up being printed with re-used game terms. For example there is a weapon group called 'mace' and a weapon called 'mace' these are clearly not the same thing. The weapon group 'staff' and arcane implement 'staff' are also clearly not the same thing.
There is no need to write an errata for something that clearly is not something else even though it has the same name.




I am not sure why there is a new thread started up on this, there was like a 5-6 page thread about this a few months back. The people claiming the weapon was the same as the arcane implement had every point refuted and were unable to counter multiple arguments that proved them wrong. If you think you can prove a quarterstaff is the staff implement go hunt down that thread, read it and then post if you havent already had your argument posted and countered.

deathmaster35 wrote:

Staff is not a keyword, please see PH2 for a current keyword list.

I use "keyword" as a generic term to refer to a reference word. That is any word with specific rules meaning. And "Staff" has specific rules meaning.

Staff is an implement type listed in the PH1, see the equipment section. The wizard class is clearly refering to the implement type, not the weapon group.
Wizards of the Coast has bad editors and has for a long time. Their books end up being printed with re-used game terms. For example there is a weapon group called 'mace' and a weapon called 'mace' these are clearly not the same thing. The weapon group 'staff' and arcane implement 'staff' are also clearly not the same thing.
There is no need to write an errata for something that clearly is not something else even though it has the same name.

The reason it needs errata is to clarify taht it is indeed a difference reference. Look at it this way... Can you save two 'txt files with the same name on your desktop? No. Having the same reference ID for two different objects doesn't work. Sure a HUMAN can tell the difference because they have different colors... But the RULES are blind. Anything you do beyond the mechanical rules (in which both a Quarterstaff and a Staff are a "staff" object, and therefore equivalent for anthing which ONLY references a staff... hint wizards onlyu reference "staff") is a houserule.

Until there is errata there will be an argument around every corner.

I am not sure why there is a new thread started up on this, there was like a 5-6 page thread about this a few months back. The people claiming the weapon was the same as the arcane implement had every point refuted and were unable to counter multiple arguments that proved them wrong. If you think you can prove a quarterstaff is the staff implement go hunt down that thread, read it and then post if you havent already had your argument posted and countered.

The problem here is we are on the internet. On the internet everyone is wrong but the perswon making their post. As I've said... Staff=Staff, there is no way it can't.

If you don't like the word "keyword" used as a generic term for a literal keyword because it has rules baggage within the system... We'll call them reference ID's.

DO NOT REUSE THE SAME REFERENCE ID ON OBJECTS WITH MECHANICAL DIFFERENCE