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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 2:35PM #11
Centauri
Date Joined: Jul 21, 2004
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Forgember wrote:

holding it in one hand does nothing for you.


Except allow you to have Small races use Staff of Defense.

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 2:39PM #12
Forgember
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Centauri wrote:

Except allow you to have Small races use Staff of Defense.


A small race can't wield a staff, I don't make the rules I just follow em.

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 2:51PM #13
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Forgember wrote:

A small race can't wield a staff, I don't make the rules I just follow em.


Wielding an implement staff only rrequires one hand, thus small races can wield staff implements.

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 3:03PM #14
Neutronium_Dragon
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> Thats BS, Staff Implement/Weapon needs to be wielded in two hands,
> holding it in one hand does nothing for you.

Untrue. You only need one hand to wield a staff as an implement. You need two hands to wield it as a weapon. The Staff of Defense feature only requires you to be wielding it as an implement.
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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 3:15PM #15
Suoitidure
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Forgember wrote:

Thats BS, Staff Implement/Weapon needs to be wielded in two hands, holding it in one hand does nothing for you.


I direct you to this post.

Staffs (and quarterstaffs) can be used as an implement one handed.


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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 7:09PM #16
deathmaster35
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Suoitidure wrote:

I direct you to this post.


Quoting a staff member talking about an error in the character builder does not really help your case

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 7:11PM #17
deathmaster35
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Forgember wrote:

A small race can't wield a staff, I don't make the rules I just follow em.


When you are talking about house rules that you have made up, you should really point out that you are talking about house rules.

Those of us using the real rules to the game would appreciate it as it causes less confusion. If in your game implements are treated like two handed weapons, that is fine, but please dont post as if it is a game rule.

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 7:13PM #18
deathmaster35
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deathmaster35 wrote:

Quoting a staff member talking about an error in the character builder does not really help your case


hmm I guess saying 'staff' might have been a bad idea, because now I am guessing some people reading that are going to think I was talking about the staff implement/weapon group, since for some reason they think every use of the word 'staff' means the exact same thing. ;P

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 9:44PM #19
Forgember
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deathmaster35 wrote:

When you are talking about house rules that you have made up, you should really point out that you are talking about house rules.

Those of us using the real rules to the game would appreciate it as it causes less confusion. If in your game implements are treated like two handed weapons, that is fine, but please dont post as if it is a game rule.


Its not a house rule at all, a staff is a two handed implement until the rules say otherwise, its a two handed weapon there for its a two handed implement. Its also basic common sense and until there is an actual rule thats how we play it. A house rule would be saying that you can wield a staff one handed even if your a small race.

If you could point out in the PH where it says a staff is a one handed implement and that small races can use it I will of course retract my statement.

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4 years ago  ::  May 20, 2009 - 9:58PM #20
Centauri
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Forgember wrote:

Its not a house rule at all, a staff is a two handed implement until the rules say otherwise, its a two handed weapon there for its a two handed implement.


Small characters can't use two-handed weapons, but there's nothing that says a Small character can't use two-handed implements.

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