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3 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2010 - 5:21AM
#871
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2007
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Please PEACH this Avenger Build....
Seems pretty good, but I have two questions:
- Why pursuit, you have no dex
- For your encounter powers I would only take minor or immediate attacks as you'll be spamming The One Sword with your standard action.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2010 - 9:26AM
#872
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Date Joined:
Sep 26, 2008
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Ack... created this Avenger too fast..
Good catch on the pursuit.... will switch to retribution
At the end I will end up with Fury's Advance, Vengeful Parry and Spark of Hatred as my encounters.
If you are looking at what I took at level 1 and 7 but at that point I wont be Paragon to spam One Sword so my first opportunity to switch is at 13.. I took the stronger power just in case reasons. At level 17 is when I take Vengeful Parry and train out the other non minor heroic encounter power.
I made this character really fast and I just wanted someone else to look if I missed something significant. However, I spent a lot of time doing research on this. I was taking pieces of this and pieces of that and hopefully everything fit in a nice tight package.
I am concerned with my Daily Power choices and went with what is overall recommended. When I play I usually just use at wills and encounters and dont rely on my dailies and it seems to get the job done.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2010 - 4:43PM
#873
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Date Joined:
Mar 31, 2008
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Aribeth,
1. Great name.
2. The build is very, very solid. You'll bring a great mix of damage and control to the table with that. Other than the Censure point that IgFa has already commented on, there are no necessary changes that I see.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2010 - 5:06PM
#874
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Date Joined:
Sep 26, 2008
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Actually, after taking a longer look... I got holes...
Since I have no dex my pursuit mechanic isnt as intimidating as it normally should.
But if I switch to retribution or unity, then censure grip auto leaves and I have no lock down.
I probably have to switch up the PP to Simbarch of Aglarond and build up OS and stay pursuit then tread water until Epic where the build starts to really shine.
Would like some comment on my statement above.
Also I would like some feedback as to the pros/cons of Power of Strength and Power of Skill.. Currently I am worshipping Tempus because I would like to have a big pop once an encounter (RROT) hence having only Power of Strength access.... I acknowledge that Power of Skill probably will make the build a much tighter package with loose ends but I am too enamored with the Big Pop.
Comments?
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3 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2010 - 5:47PM
#875
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Date Joined:
Sep 26, 2008
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Another build.. please PEACH Again no dex but I think the build is much tighter than the previous one and more rugged ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Avenger Build, level 30
Deva, Avenger, Simbarch of Aglarond, Sage of Ages
Avenger's Censure: Censure of Pursuit
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Heavy Blade)
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Orb)
Background: Cormyr (General) (Cormyr (General) Benefit) FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 14, Dex 12, Int 26, Wis 26, Cha 14. STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 12, Dex 10, Int 16, Wis 16, Cha 12.
AC: 46 Fort: 36 Reflex: 46 Will: 46
HP: 202 Surges: 11 Surge Value: 50
TRAINED SKILLS
Religion +36, Athletics +23, Perception +34, Insight +36, Arcana +40 UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +16, Bluff +17, Diplomacy +17, Dungeoneering +29, Endurance +17, Heal +23, History +31, Intimidate +17, Nature +29, Stealth +16, Streetwise +17, Thievery +16 FEATS
Learned Spellcaster: Ritual Caster
Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Fullblade)
Level 2: Learned Spellcaster
Level 4: Versatile Expertise
Level 6: Unarmored Agility
Level 8: Weapon Focus (Heavy Blade)
Level 10: Melee Training (Wisdom)
Level 11: Painful Oath
Level 12: Righteous Rage of Tempus
Level 14: Deadly Draw
Level 16: Censure's Grip
Level 18: Justice Hammer
Level 20: Paragon Defenses (retrained to Robust Defenses at Level 21)
Level 21: Hand of Divine Guidance
Level 22: Font of Radiance
Level 24: Punishing Radiance
Level 26: Triumphant Attack
Level 28: Epic Reflexes
Level 30: Epic Will POWERS
Avenger at-will 1: Leading Strike
Avenger at-will 1: Overwhelming Strike
Avenger encounter 1: Angelic Alacrity
Avenger daily 1: Aspect of Might
Avenger utility 2: Arcane Mutterings
Avenger encounter 3: Fury's Advance
Avenger daily 5: Executioner's Cloak
Avenger utility 6: Warp in the Weave
Avenger encounter 7: Relentless Stride
Avenger daily 9: Enduring Strike
Avenger utility 10: Wings of Vengeance
Avenger encounter 13: Inexorable Pursuit (replaces Angelic Alacrity)
Avenger daily 15: Aspect of Fury (replaces Executioner's Cloak)
Avenger utility 16: Holy Blessing
Avenger encounter 17: Vengeful Parry (replaces Inexorable Pursuit)
Avenger daily 19: Vengeful Recovery (replaces Enduring Strike)
Avenger utility 22: Twin Step
Avenger daily 25: Mantle of the Astral Champion (replaces Aspect of Might)
Avenger daily 29: Final Oath (replaces Aspect of Fury) ITEMS
Brilliant Energy Fullblade +6, Siberys Shard of Radiance (epic tier), Symbol of Divine Light +6, Ioun Orb +6, Iron Armbands of Power (epic tier), War Ring (paragon tier) (2), Ring of the Radiant Storm (paragon tier), Belt of Titan Strength (epic tier), Runic Starweave Armor +6, Periapt of Cascading Health +6, Assault Boots (paragon tier), Many-Fingered Gloves (paragon tier), Ioun Stone of True Sight (epic tier), Breakchain Tattoo (epic tier)
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3 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2010 - 2:42AM
#876
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2007
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Actually, after taking a longer look... I got holes...
Since I have no dex my pursuit mechanic isnt as intimidating as it normally should.
But if I switch to retribution or unity, then censure grip auto leaves and I have no lock down.
I probably have to switch up the PP to Simbarch of Aglarond and build up OS and stay pursuit then tread water until Epic where the build starts to really shine.
Would like some comment on my statement above.
Maybe Halo of Tethering could be used as an alternative to Censure's Grip? That way you wouldn't need to go pursuit with either of the builds. I think in your decision making you should also consider the factor fun. Although at-will stunning is very powerful it could very quickly take the fun out of the game for some DM's who just want to show the cool trick their monster has. The One Sword also has an inherent issue with immediate attacks as they won't be triggered as easily if your OoE target is stunned. Concerning the Simbarch, I always considered that path one of the few ways in which a Retribution martyr could actually work (another being Undying Warrior)
Also I would like some feedback as to the pros/cons of Power of Strength and Power of Skill.. Currently I am worshipping Tempus because I would like to have a big pop once an encounter (RROT) hence having only Power of Strength access.... I acknowledge that Power of Skill probably will make the build a much tighter package with loose ends but I am too enamored with the Big Pop.
Power of Skill brings a lot of options to the table:
- Charging (good way to increase both mobility and DPR)
- Making Lazy Warlords/Shamans very very happy
- For pursuits: Artillery lockdown
- Items like Strikebacks or Backlash Tattoo
- Good feats like Deadly Draw or when you use a Greatspear: Polearm Momentum
- And finally: being better at skill challenges!
So in my opinion Power of Strength is what you take when it has become clear that you can't convince your DM that your god(dess) of choice should have the skill domain
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3 years ago ::
Oct 11, 2010 - 9:14PM
#877
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2010
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I am considering a pursuit avenger for a new LFR PC created at level 8 ( last i checked that is a valid starting level yes?) I have been away from LFR for awhile and most of the regulars in my area have surpassed my other PC's. anyway, i am strongly considering heavy investment in the Vistani bloodline feats but i wanted some input as far as how much value they would have. The way i see it, the evil eye power, when used correctly nearly guarantees a trigger from your censure. This is the build i have. ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Khala, level 8
Githzerai, Avenger
Build: Pursuing Avenger
Avenger's Censure: Censure of Pursuit
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 12, Con 12, Dex 20, Int 10, Wis 20, Cha 8.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 12, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 8. AC: 24 Fort: 18 Reflex: 22 Will: 22
HP: 68 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 17
TRAINED SKILLS
Religion +10, Stealth +15, Acrobatics +17, Perception +17
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +4, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +9, Endurance +5, Heal +9, History +4, Insight +9, Intimidate +3, Nature +9, Streetwise +3, Thievery +9, Athletics +7
FEATS
Level 1: Power of Skill (Oghma)
Level 2: Githzerai Blade Master
Level 4: Vistani Heritage
Level 6: Covenant Eye
Level 8: Vistani Fencer
POWERS
Avenger at-will 1: Radiant Vengeance
Avenger at-will 1: Overwhelming Strike
Avenger encounter 1: Angelic Alacrity
Avenger daily 1: Aspect of Might
Avenger utility 2: Loyal Sanction
Avenger encounter 3: Relentless Stride
Avenger daily 5: Strength of Many
Avenger utility 6: Aspect of Agility
Avenger encounter 7: Fury's Advance
ITEMS
Fullblade of Oaths Fulfilled +2 (LVL 9), Steadfast Amulet +2 (LVL 8), Robe of Eyes Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing) +2 (LVL 7), Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier) (Purchased), 800 GP any advice on starting gear for a level 8 would be swell My static damage is +11, +15 when the target is under my evil eye +22 when it breaks my censure while under my evil eye, not counting anything from my dailies. relentless stride+22, Overwhelming strike+22, fury's advance+17=3d12+61 in one round, wondering how this measures up to other avenger builds at this level. im not a particular fan of my loyal sanction power for this build as i want my allies to stay away a bit (same goes for strength of many), but maybe they have more value than i know. As far as backgrounds, Impiltur seems a natural choice but being a gith it doesn't seem to fit. I envision him as a hunter dispatched to find those responsible for the arson of one of Oghma's great libraries.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2010 - 12:27AM
#878
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Date Joined:
Mar 31, 2008
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That's more feat dedication than I advocate during Heroic. During that period, I'm just covering basics-- Unarmored Agility, Power of Skill or Melee Training, Versatility, Focus, Proficiency, etc. You have PoSkill and Prof + Focus covered, but you leave a bit left uncovered.
Having said that, my question to you would be, "Does this sound fun?" If the answer is 'yes', go for it! Based on conversations I've had with LFR guys, you don't need to be 100% minmaxed to do very well. I think you would have a blast with this.
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3 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2010 - 1:59AM
#879
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2007
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anyway, i am strongly considering heavy investment in the Vistani bloodline feats but i wanted some input as far as how much value they would have. The way i see it, the evil eye power, when used correctly nearly guarantees a trigger from your censure. This is the build i have.
I have been toying with a build like this myself once, and like auspex says the feats are primary problem. That being said, though, I think it is a great idea!
My feat progression looked something like this:
1: Githzerai Blade Master
2: Power of Skill
4: Unarmored Agility
6: Vistani Heritage
8: Emnity's Eye
10: Covenant Eye
11: Painful Oath
12: Weapon Expertise
14: Vistani Fencer
16: Closing Pledge
Once you have Covenant's Eye have a look at stuff that recharges (radiant) encounter powers or your CD feature, so that you have that sweet minor action attack several times/encounter!
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3 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2010 - 1:38PM
#880
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2010
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Seeing as how the LFR rules for retraining are pretty forgiving, i will probably just have to try a few things out and see what i like best. I initially thought the 12 STR 12 CON would open barbarian multiclass in paragon, then i decided to look at monk instead...the build is certainly coming together with a nice bit of burst damage when i blow my wad of encounter minor/free actions. what are your expert opinions on the githzerai monk paragon feat Zuoken's centering. At first read the benefit seems insanely good to me, but perhaps unnecessary as im strapped fopr feats already.
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