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5 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2008 - 11:04PM #21
Kinowolf
Date Joined: Mar 7, 2008
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The potential of the Star Pact is pretty great. It's been described as Cthulhu-like and relates to things like the Mindflayers. It lets you roleplay a character toeing the edge of madness by peeking into these realms so beyond earthly comprehension, and opens up chances for DMs to introduce really mind-melting adventures (a bad spell pulling you into a Mindflayer's lair with corridors that twist like Moebius strips?).

I plan on playing a Dwarf Warlock with the Star Pact who has eccentric ravings ("You can gaze on the vastness of the void in the deepest dark of a mine."), fights in bizarre and seemingly roundabout says, and believes the light world is an illusion of little cosmic consequence.

I am very excited about this.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2008 - 11:57PM #22
Cohen95
Date Joined: Mar 15, 2008
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Naderion wrote:

Forcing a fiend to provide you with power would also be quite difficult as a level 0 character with no class yet.

But there's some cool stuff in here. I might use some of that even in my 3.5e campaign with no warlocks. :D


I agree completely. The pacts are probably somewhat basic rituals that are passed on from Master to Apprentice, or discovered all on their own.

However, I -do- like the idea of being able to summon an extraplanar entity and force it into a pact. Perhaps a Paragon/Epic option for Warlocks? That makes more sense, especially since the lowest level characters, especially in the "points of light" model, aren't likely to know anything about the cosmos beyond the world.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2008 - 8:37AM #23
Subedei
Date Joined: Dec 1, 2005
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Howl = Star Pact
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2008 - 9:27AM #24
Kinowolf
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Subedei wrote:

Howl = Star Pact


Howl, the Allen Ginsberg poem? I don't know if I'd call that cosmic. I'll have to think about it...

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2008 - 7:45PM #25
Cohen95
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Does anybody have any ideas/suggestions for Paragon/Epic level pacts?

Perhaps at those levels you'll have the option of making more specific pacts? For instance Infernal pacts will be able to deal directly with specific devils, or Fey pacts can deal with particularly powerful members of Feywild? That'd definitely be interesting.

Thoughts?
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2008 - 11:46AM #26
Space_Dragon
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I wonder if an angelic or ghost pact will be coming eventually. A necromancer-type warlock who calls upon the spirits of the dead to grant him his magic (think Necroscope) or a religious ritualist who calls down messengers of the gods to empower him could be really cool.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2008 - 12:01PM #27
Wizardmon
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Kinowolf wrote:

Howl, the Allen Ginsberg poem? I don't know if I'd call that cosmic. I'll have to think about it...


As in Howl's Moving Castle.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2008 - 12:09PM #28
Ddraig_Goch
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I am going to be pretty choked if the fey-pact is with "fairies" and not with something along the lines of ancient spirits of the wild/feywild. "Fey" spirits like the Woodsman (ala the the Dreaming Dark trilogy) would be good, but I think anything along the lines of "normal" fairies would be really sad.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2008 - 12:57PM #29
Valdrax
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Subedei wrote:

Howl = Star Pact


Spoilers, people.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2008 - 1:14PM #30
Blue_Tiger
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Ddraig_Goch wrote:

I am going to be pretty choked if the fey-pact is with "fairies" and not with something along the lines of ancient spirits of the wild/feywild. "Fey" spirits like the Woodsman (ala the the Dreaming Dark trilogy) would be good, but I think anything along the lines of "normal" fairies would be really sad.


In worlds and monsters it said that they are veering away from "Fairy Tales" instead concentrating on the things of nightmares. I imagine some examples might be the fairy that attacks Jen Connelly early in Labrynth, the evil Leprachan from the movies of the same name, and the darkest horrors of the original Grimm's Fairy Tales. As well as inspriartions from real life legends, tales in which one translation of fairy was furie. I think thats the effect they are going for.

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