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4 years ago  ::  Jan 12, 2009 - 12:17AM #51
Saramis
Date Joined: Jul 11, 2008
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Can anyone help me make a quadrapalegic olympian sprinter character?
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 12, 2009 - 7:36AM #52
1958Fury
Date Joined: Sep 19, 2008
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Saramis wrote:

Can anyone help me make a quadrapalegic olympian sprinter character?


Sure. Have a high-level magic user animate an hollow construct. Wear the construct like a suit.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 12, 2009 - 9:31AM #53
AbyssalKender
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2008
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But then, is it the quadrapalegic running the sprint, or is it the mage? You'd have to add in an enchantment giving control of the construct to the quadrapalegic.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 12, 2009 - 3:47PM #54
1958Fury
Date Joined: Sep 19, 2008
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AbyssalKender wrote:

But then, is it the quadrapalegic running the sprint, or is it the mage? You'd have to add in an enchantment giving control of the construct to the quadrapalegic.


True... at the end of the day, it might just be easier to find a nice healer to fix your limbs.

If someone with missing limbs changes shape (Wildshape, Polymorph, etc), is their new form also missing limbs? Could a human with a missing arm polymorph into a human with two arms?

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 12, 2009 - 10:39PM #55
Proin
Date Joined: Sep 7, 2008
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AbyssalKender wrote:

But I specifically mentioned that it was like tricking the brain into thinking the body has been defeated, and that the final blow is always to knock unconscious rather than to kill. All monsters have one healing surge per tier, so they will recover from it.


Which is still causing them pain and would still fall under any reasonable person's definition of "assault." And thus would fall under the broader category of "violence."


I'm not saying you couldn't make a character that rationalizes it the way you describe. I'm just saying that you should expect anyone else that hears the rationale to throw the "bullsh!t" flag.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2009 - 11:53AM #56
mellored
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Saramis wrote:

Can anyone help me make a quadriplegic olympian sprinter character?


sounds like an artificer

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2009 - 12:08PM #57
zgrose
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It springs to mind that Spock is another pacifist character with game potential. He always preferred talk to fighting and used non-lethal methods when available (nerve pinch). He was also willing to defend himself. A pacifist character need not martyr themselves for their values. Doubly so in a reality where monsters actually exist.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2009 - 3:28AM #58
Warskullx
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Trying to play a pure pacifist won't really work. There are simply some things that cannot be reasoned with. Sometimes the hungry bear just wants to eat you and you are food. Furthermore a huge part of the game is about conflict. It would be fight or flight for the most part, in D&D characters choose fight. If your character is always running and hiding in battle while your allies massacre whatever you run into, it probably won't work so hot. The game experience would have to be very heavily altered to cater to you, possibly to the detriment of the other players.

My suggestion is play him more as a character who prefers to avoid violence unless it is absolutely necessary and uses the minimum amount required. Trying to skirt around the rules and make your character a technical pacifist because he never directly harmed anything just really makes him a weak character. "I'm a pacifist, but its totally ok to indirectly cause this creatures death."

Does playing a "technical pacifist" have any meaning? It just devalues your characters pacifism. I'm sure most pacifists would have issues directly support the guy with the gun (instead of shooting people handing ammo direct to the guy shooting people.) So you would probably have a better character if he had an aversion to violence, but accepted it as necessary at times.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2009 - 6:04AM #59
SpawnOfMorgoth
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I have role-played a peacenick character.

I wouldn't go so far as call her a pacifist.

She used illusions, damage shields, shapechanging, polymorphing, etc. that made sure that aggressors reaped what they sowed. She caused her share of carnage among those that would not listen to her message of peace and love.

She sorta figured these enemies that flung themselves violently her way were mentally ill and it was probably best that they be weeded out of their races' gene pool to give peace a change in future generations.

With the lack of save or [insert permanent status that removes you from combat here] that was available in previous editions, this kind of build is so much tougher to pull off.

I suppose if I had to do it over, I would go radiant spewing trying to fill the the enemy with 'the light' and call it subdual damage. Train up initimidate, and with your known reputation for only subduing enemies when you call for bloodied enemies to surrender you should get a bonus among these more intelligent foes facing long odds. You can take the New Sarshel Enforcer from Dragon #370 p 14 and get a roll twice and take the best result on your surrender demand. You can rename the feat in your backstory for role-playing flavor but you can certainly make use of the game mechanics it offers.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 16, 2009 - 8:55PM #60
BRJN
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AbyssalKender wrote:

But I specifically mentioned that it was like tricking the brain into thinking the body has been defeated.


You (and your DM) should take a look at that power the Larva Mage has, where it either does damage - only if it takes you below 0 HP in one fell swoop - or dazes you and you can ignore the damage. This is because you think you are being eaten by a swarm of grave worms and it freaks you out.
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