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Switch to Forum Live View I want to make an openly Gay Villian.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 5:52PM #1
Demetri_Knighthawk
Date Joined: Jun 16, 2006
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Somehow I got the strange idea once and I am coming to a point where I can use it in my game:

Hydra is the honnorific title for the dragonborn warlord, leader of the "hundred heads" (a Tiamat worshiping army), And one of the scenes I want the players to walk in on is:

"As you enter the renovated temple, there are many tables, benches, and beds, all around you find only dragonborn men and women socializing in seeming equal status. At the far end of the room where was once a statue of bahamut is now a stone throne with a heavily built dragonborn in his scale armor with 'roman' skirt. On either side of this leader stand a slippery looking archer, their crossbows trained on you but their eyes cast down at the king, or more precisely the silkcovered body servicing the king on its knees. The leader hold up a hand for the party to stop as his body tightens up to release a mighty roar of domination with wings unfurled as the servant makes a choking sound, behind and around all other dragonborn cheer in salute as the silk wrapped dragonborn rises up to be an even larger male than the king but dressed as a harem attendant. As the servant takes a submissive seat below the kings side, softly nuzzeling and kissing his leg, the leader becons the party closer without even bothering to cover himself up. "Greetings 'heroes'."

My question is if the villian can still be taken serriously if it is already acknowedged to be gay from the onset in a dominant role?

Also if it is revealed that the harem attendant is the true leader and has his servant pose as the king, is he still as intimidating if he is a socialy submissive gay?
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 6:22PM #2
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sure, if it's cool with your players.

personally, i wouldn't think about it any differently than any other villain, however your players may be the kinds of people who just snicker the whole time because the bbeg "hearts the ****"
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 6:48PM #3
Zousha_Omenohu
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A villain's sexuality doesn't change their villainousness, at least as long as you don't make a big deal out of it. So the PC have just witnessed the king getting a blowjob from his male servant. That doesn't make him any less intimidating. And if they find out that the real king was actually the one giving the blowjob, then they should feel the same sort of feelings they would had the same scenario had a heterosexual cast. This scene just reveals a bit about the guy, nothing more. It would only become a problem if every time the PC's encounter him his sexuality is emphasized. Dropping the big reveal that the big bad is gay will at least interest the players, or possibly repulse them if they're particularly immature, but belabouring the point that he is gay afterwards will only get annoying, or worse, make the villain seem comical, which is what you're trying to avoid.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 6:52PM #4
Crimson_Concerto
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Demetri_Knighthawk wrote:

"As you enter the renovated temple, there are many tables, benches, and beds, all around you find only dragonborn men and women socializing in seeming equal status. At the far end of the room where was once a statue of bahamut is now a stone throne with a heavily built dragonborn in his scale armor with 'roman' skirt. On either side of this leader stand a slippery looking archer, their crossbows trained on you but their eyes cast down at the king, or more precisely the silkcovered body servicing the king on its knees. The leader hold up a hand for the party to stop as his body tightens up to release a mighty roar of domination with wings unfurled as the servant makes a choking sound, behind and around all other dragonborn cheer in salute as the silk wrapped dragonborn rises up to be an even larger male than the king but dressed as a harem attendant. As the servant takes a submissive seat below the kings side, softly nuzzeling and kissing his leg, the leader becons the party closer without even bothering to cover himself up. "Greetings 'heroes'."


. . . Okay, I had to read this a couple of time to finally get it, but are you suggesting that the players are walking in on the leader giving somebody a blow job in public? . . . I don't feel like that's appropriate for any villain, no matter his or her sexuality, but maybe that's just me.

My question is if the villian can still be taken serriously if it is already acknowedged to be gay from the onset in a dominant role?

Also if it is revealed that the harem attendant is the true leader and has his servant pose as the king, is he still as intimidating if he is a socialy submissive gay?


That depends entirely on the maturity of your group. However, if you have doubt about it, I'd suggest something a little more subtle than having him sucking a guy off when they meet him.

Maybe I'm being overly sensitive because I myself am gay, but public oral doesn't sound like a very positive portrayal. If you play your games with that kind of degree of sexualization otherwise, then by all means go for it, but if the sexualization here would be out of place in the campaign, I'd advise against it and again suggest something more subtle...

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 7:14PM #5
Zousha_Omenohu
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This is true, Crimson Concerto. The key to getting your players to be mature about sexual situations in your game is to make sure the sexual element doesn't stick out like a sore thumb...or any other number of things that stick out.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 7:41PM #6
Runestone_Cowboy
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if i were a player in your game the homosexual activity would not faze me. but that isn't to say that i would not be fazed. because 1:as the dm you would likely be a friend of mine 2: you bring sex into gaming would wierd me out a little and 3: i assume that you would be acting out the dragonborn's orgasm, really weirding me out.
it's like when my character goes to a bar and tries to pick up on ladies and my dm (a man) role plays the ladies flirting with me. so in reality, me and my friend are pretending to be other people and flirt with each other. no fun...
i say all sex "off camera" in dnd.
but that's just this gamers humble opinion.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 7:42PM #7
KainHighwind
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Hmm, maybe have the bad guy give a dirty/sultry/sexy look to one of the male characters. Let teh character walk away thinking "Wait, was he coming on to me?" Give them something to really make him memorable, and if you doubt your groups maturity, that would be much more subtle than "You walk in and see a dragonborn recieve bj...from a guy."


for teh record, I got no problem with gays, but the whole scenario would get me to snicker a bit, and cause a few one-liners to come out that me and my characters are prone to
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 30, 2009 - 10:37PM #8
Imperius
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I don't think the villian being gay would be any less intimidating. Personally, I'd be more subtle about it as well. The "money shot" was a bit much in my opinion (gah, I couldn't find a way for that not to sound bad) but maybe having them find him laying with male servants or something similar could be in order. Shock isn't always about what you see, but what you think you are seeing. Just my opinion.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 31, 2009 - 7:39AM #9
Demetri_Knighthawk
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Thank you all for the very consice and mature responses.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 31, 2009 - 8:17AM #10
Falstyr
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Hehe this sounds like a BBEG in a more comedy flavored campaign. Nothing wrong with gays, but I often have to think about those extravagant bastards in those idiotic parades who give gays in general a bad name. So when picturing the described scene I see:

An extravagantly gay dragonborn with fairy wings in a Scottish skirt (Kilt) or tutu who is receiving a blow job letting out a very high pitched roar (lack of testosterone does influence voice) as the party of adventurers enters. The one giving the blow job then uses one of those french Renaissance handkerchiefs to wipe the dragon goo from his face which has a little birthmark speckle. This all taking place in some lair with '70s decorations and the two guards wearing really wrong and really tight leather armor. To make it even more funny is to equip one of them with a whip. Perhaps have a group do the YMCA in the background as well.

Really...I can't take such a BBEG serious no matter how threatening he truly is. I'd probably knock them all out cold and capture them. Then set up a traveling theater/parade with them as the main act...and they just have to be themselves without acting. Not a bad way to make money of a BBEG.

The honorific title "Leader of the 100 Heads" will get a different meaning then what you're aiming for as well then.

So if you want to play a gay BBEG...play it like any proper gay in society. They're not the extravagant types who constantly shout for attention like a bunch of *****es. Except for the way they dress, use their body language you hardly even know they are gays. And it isn't like they come onto anyone of the same sexe so if you want to flirt with a player character then make sure it is justified as "teasing" or find a proper motivation why your BBEG might be attracted to an adventure he/she just met and doesn't really know that well. Perhaps he likes the determination of coming this far etc.
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