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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 8:21AM
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I think an openly gay warlord villain can work perfectly well. Just ask Alexander the Great.
As others have said, I think the opening scene being public sex is gratuitous, and makes more of an issue of his sexuality than needs be. A kiss/nuzzle from the king's lover would get the same point across, while oral sex in front of a cheering crowd suggests exhibitionism, as well as a sense of depravity or sexual obsession in his followers (is an orgasm really cheer-worthy?).
If the king poses as a servant then he is far less intimidating. It dents his credentials as the powerful leader, perhaps a tactical warlord could be a power-behind-the-throne character sucking up to the king (no pun intended) and making tactical decisions, but I do not see a Tiamat-worshipping king as the type for a socially submissive role - it puts a rather large dent in his authority.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 8:34AM
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I may be repeating everyone but the level of maturaty in the group would designate how adult you want this whole thing. I have no problem with a gay villian as long as you dont over emphise it to the point of characiture. then it could be insulting. now personally i would be a little uncomfertable about anyone being serviced in that way in d&d no matter who is performing said act. but thats just me, i try to not over sexualize my campaigns.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 11:18AM
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Jun 13, 2006
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Perhaps instead have him have a male follower chained near his throne and when they come in he steps down off of it and caresses his cheek and the servant looks lovingly up at him. Maybe even have multiple male followers laying around the throne in harem type outfits to help point it out. This would avoid the obvious sexual tendencies (dominant, submissive, etc.) of the BBEG (maybe leaving those to be discovered in a more private setting like his personal chambers) but should still point out that he is gay.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 12:36PM
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I had a gay villain in one game. Male drow. The party had been captured and taken before their new master. What they saw was a decidedly dominant male drow with a naked human male on all fours before his throne being used as a footstool. I described the whole ball-gag and S&M get-up just to get everyone's skin crawling. (They thought that their new 'master' was going to be a female drow.) Standing just behind the throne were two younger males, not quite adult. ("They're so much more pliable when you raise them right, hmmm? I can't wait until they've left childhood behind...") Oh, you should have seen everyone squirming!
Fortunately, this was a very mature group and they understood that I was handing them a villain from whom mere escape wouldn't be good enough. They'd have to kill him, and oh did they want to! He kept using phrases like "I'll have to break you horses before you can be properly ridden." Of course, I'd never force such a thing on the PCs, but it gave the session a level of desperation that I haven't seen since.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 12:38PM
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Disclaimer: I've also used gay good guys, too.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 12:54PM
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An extravagantly gay dragonborn with fairy wings in a Scottish skirt (Kilt) or tutu who is receiving a blow job letting out a very high pitched roar (lack of testosterone does influence voice)
This is what I was expecting from the OP upon seeing the title of the thread. Kudos for keeping it clean OP.
The quoted material is bigoted and stereotypical, not representative. Captain Jack Harkness is a good mention of an openly gay character who has none of those traits. Although the actor has worn kilts.
For the OP, I want to mention that one way to clearly show the villain is gay is to think of all the stuff you would expect a straight Villain to be doing, and switch genders of any female/male characters. Another way to be clear about the character, and a lot more subtle, is to drop comments in during play.
"The maid stands out in your memory as one of the most unattractive women you've ever seen doing that job."
"The tactician, although short, appears to work out as much as the guards do."
"The King winks at you, as he mentions there are other punishments well-behaved prisoners receive."
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204.1b Some effects change an object’s card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object’s prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase “in addition to its types” or that state that something is “still a [card type].” Some effects state that an object becomes an “artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes.
"Eight Edition Rules Update"
We eventually decided not to change this template, because players are used to “becomes an artifact creature,” and like it much better. Players were used to Combat on the Stack, but you got rid of that because it was unintuitive. The only phrase needed is "in addition to its types"; the others are misleading and unintuitive.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 1:14PM
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I would avoid bringing light to the villiain's sexual preferences unless there's a good story reason for doing it. For that couple lines of flavor text, you risk the players wondering why the Dragonborn villain is gay, and trying to find the evil wizard who corrupted him, et cetera, et cetera.
Since your villain will not likely be entering into a relationship with any of the PCs, his sexual preferences are unimportant. What is important, as far as the game is concerned, is the sexual act in which he is engaged when the players come across him. The question then becomes why.
Take the following spin on your scenario into account: What if the villain is not doing this out of sexual gratification, but to humiliate the servant? The villain is making the servant do this because... well, he's powerful and he CAN.
Let's kick it up a notch. What if that servant was actually an unwilling slave? What if it was the NPC the heroes were sent to rescue? What if it was the family member of one of the PCs? All of a sudden, the stakes of this combat just skyrocketed, and killing this guy is going to be a hell of a lot sweeter.
Preferences don't really matter. Gay or straight, he's a villain. It's motivations that matter where villains are concerned.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 1:34PM
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It's not a problem in and of itself. I certainly have a problem being in a game with that kind of maturity level. The problem is why is it relevant that he is gay and what is the purpose of the scene described?
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 3:17PM
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Of course, I'd never force such a thing on the PCs, but it gave the session a level of desperation that I haven't seen since.
 HA! HA-HA!! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!
But more to the point, what in the hell gave you the idea to make a gay dragonborn? Seriously, the mental image conjured up by the OP is more disturbing than most RL gorn.
Also, though I may be wrong, I think having a pinis (damned word-filter) capable of being "blowed" isn't something organisms with scales tend to have.
On another note, if you really want to play the scene over into comedy without using the anachronistic stereotypes Falstyr mentioned, you could have him involuntarily breathe fire into the air when he comes.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 31, 2009 - 3:36PM
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Also, though I may be wrong, I think having a [removed] capable of being "blowed" isn't something organisms with scales tend to have.
Nor are mammaries.
D&D 4E Herald and M:tG Rules Advisor I expect posters to follow the Code of Conduct, use Basic Etiquette, and avoid Poor Logic. If you don't follow these guidelines, I consider you to be disrespectful to everyone on these forums. If you respond to me without following these guidelines, I consider it a personal attack. I grew up in a bilingual household, which means I am familiar with the difficulties in adopting a different vocabulary and grammar. That doesn't bother me. Persistent use of bad capitalization, affirming the consequent, and flaming bother me a great deal. Rule that I would change: 204.1b
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204.1b Some effects change an object’s card type, supertype, or subtype but specify that the object retains a prior card type, supertype, or subtype. In such cases, all the object’s prior card types, supertypes, and subtypes are retained. This rule applies to effects that use the phrase “in addition to its types” or that state that something is “still a [card type].” Some effects state that an object becomes an “artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes.
"Eight Edition Rules Update"
We eventually decided not to change this template, because players are used to “becomes an artifact creature,” and like it much better. Players were used to Combat on the Stack, but you got rid of that because it was unintuitive. The only phrase needed is "in addition to its types"; the others are misleading and unintuitive.
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