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4 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2009 - 2:00PM #31
The_Stray
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Zackerie wrote:

Hmmm. You know, I always thought of the fey like one would think of primordials or elementals. Primordials were the beings that fought with the gods at the creation of the universe, right? Under the right circumstances, couldn't you make a deal with one of them? Also, I remember reading about someones feylock having had forged a deal with a Elemental of Autumn and taking the elemental into himself. I'd imagine this is a bit more like forging a deal with a Final Fantasy elemental.

Both concepts sound pretty cool to me. Personally I find them to be a bit less comical than making a deal with Rumplestiltskein or however you spell it, ya know?


Oh, I don't know about that. Imagine the Rumpelstiltskin story as a game plot:

A girl is placed an impossible position by her father. A mysterious gnome-like figure promises to save her from the predicament, but at a cost. First, the cost is slight. A necklace, an old ring--but then she's out of things to pay with. The gnome promises to help her one final time--for the cost of her first born son. As she has no children, she agrees.

Because of the gnomes help, the girl becomes wealthy and powerful, a princess in the land. And then the gnome returns, and demands his reward...

What does he want the child for, anyway? And worse, what will happen if he is denied, and his magic is turned against the kingdom? Gnomes are already tricksters who can hide themselves quite well when they need to.

Just remember how vicious and nasty the fey of the really old folktales were before they got bowlderized, and they will seem a lot less silly in a hurry.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2009 - 11:19PM #32
kitsunegami
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sigil_beguiler wrote:

I would say Fey that are more powerful then Eladrin. The true masters of the Feywild, the ones that can rival Demons and Devils and Things from Beyond the Stars.

If you want an idea of what be a good example of this kind of Fey, check out the True Fae in Changeling. Or, the old legends involving Fey-Folk (many of them almost have them as gods themselves).

For myself, it was a Fey trapped in the Hedge (stolen from Changeling) which is a area between the world and Feywild. It let the Human draw near to a area where the borders are weak and tricked it into going into the Hedge, where it tried to posses the Human. Hoping to see escape in the form of possessing this Human, it backfired and the Human escaped twisted by the Fey and with the powers of it as well.

Edit: One thing I emphasize is using the term "IT" to describe powerful-Fey. They may appear as female or male, but something that powerful with the range of illusions, charms, etc. it has is all-together not bound by such physical aspects and is far beyond such thoughts or ideas. It also puts emphasize on it being non-human in both behaviour and ethics, it has no moral compass or belief-structure beyond doing what it decides be enjoyable, amusing, etc.


Random note: I also chose Fey Pact because of Changeling. I still find the phrase "Eladrin Feylock" highly entertaining. 8o)

To get on-topic: I never really considered exactly who (or what) I signed a pact with. I saw it more as borrowing power from powerful creatures from my homeland that I had befriended in my childhood.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2009 - 11:46PM #33
MikeN
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The Grimm tales are actually a little bit sanitized from their original sources. Likewise Hans Christian Anderson.

I love how legendarily even the name "fair folk" was used in order to not give offense to these creatures.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2009 - 3:39AM #34
malisteen
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A couple things:

I always figured that Warlock Pacts were like Divine Investitures in 4e - You bargain for the power, you are given the power, and then you have the power. Once you have it, it's yours, it isn't continually tapped from it's source. Higher level powers represent better a better understanding of the arcane power you were granted, rather then new powers being given by your patron.

Going against your patron's wishes might anger them, but it wouldn't cause your powers to go away unless doing so broke the original pact.


As for what the pacts are made with - they're made with the Arch Fey, epic level unique fey that we haven't seen much of in printed rules. I imagine they'd generally be associated with seasons or natural bodies or concepts in the feywild. Arch-Fey of summer, Arch-Fey of the South Wind, Arch-Fey of the Greenbank River, etc.


My own Bard (multiclassed cleric, multiclassed ranger, multiclassed feylock) made her pact with the fey being Lorelai (Arch-Fey of the Night Breeze, Exarch of Corellon, and Patron of Woodwind Instruments). As part of the pact, my bard must compose one tune about Lorelai every lunar cycle, and must teach at least one of them to a woodwind player in every town he passes through. In at least one town, she had to teach someone to play a set of simple pipes, as no one there already knew how to play an appropriate instrument. For this reason she always keeps at least one extra instrument with her.


As long as she keeps composing and teaching these tunes, she will maintain the terms of her pact, even if she has a falling out with Lorelai and starts working against its interests. Heck, she might compose and teach tunes about Lorelai's greed, cruelty, or foolishness, and they would still fulfill the terms of the pact.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2009 - 5:11PM #35
Arcanisk
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2007
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My character gained her power from the Erlking. I love Dresden files and my DM has essentially established that as the default resource for the Fey in our campaign world. How did she get her power. She happened to find the wild hunt after she got on a horse while running awayfrom some people trying to recapture her after orchestrating a slave rebellion. After she stayed on, as a reward the erlking blessed her with it's powers, on the condition that in 20 years she goes on the wild hunt as it's prey. She wants to survive this, so she is gaining power as fast as she possibly can.
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