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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2008 - 2:32PM #51
AtmaWeapon
Date Joined: Apr 10, 2001
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Meh, in fairness, even if you can't stab people with it it's hard to argue that a tail blade of some sort would be worthless. I mean, I know that *I* wouldn't try to grab a tail if the creature pulling it out of my hands would likely sever all my fingers.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2008 - 2:55PM #52
AnthonyJ
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The ability to attack with a tail blade is by itself rather marginal (it lets you attack even when both hands are full -- yippee) and is thus probably a feat:


  • Tail Attack: you have learned to use an off-hand weapon attached to your tail. This is rarely relevant, but can be useful if both of your hands are occupied in other ways (for example, two implements, or an implement and a staff).

More sophisticated tricks would be power replacement feats, replacing one of your class-based encounter or daily powers.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2008 - 4:40PM #53
Maulorn
Date Joined: Jul 17, 2008
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Personally 2ed Tieflings...The whole ancient races and they are all brethren is rather weak...so on the opposite side of the coin are aasimars going to be a ancient race bred with the upperplanes and they are all brethren.

I prefer each tiefer is different approach. Decide what sort of Lower Planar you were mixed with and go from there...some have tails...some have hooves...some are slimy...some have feathers...etc

Some have normal tails...some have prehensile tails...

Just make it your own IMO and if you have not seen what is out there check out some of the old PS materials for ideas.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2008 - 8:50PM #54
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Marvel always gets their tieflings/half-fiends right. Example, Darkchilde/Magik:



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5 years ago  ::  Aug 26, 2008 - 7:34AM #55
Chaosdagger
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Here's my opinion. The PHB simply states the tail is non-prehensile. Which as other's pointed out means that it cannot be used to pick up things or to hold the Tiefling's weight from a branch or something. Although the PHB does not state any rules for using the tail to attack, this is no way means that it would not be able to. Non-prehensile does not mean that you don't have muscular control over your tail, it simply means that (probably do to limited flexability) you can not wrap it tight enough around something to hold it. So when a PC asked me if he could use his Tiefling's tail to attack. I did some research. Using both some 3.5 supplements as well as all available 4th edition supplements. I have one word for you. "Dragons". Dragon's tails are non-prehensile, yet they can still use it to attack... ergo Tieflings can use their tails to attack as a natural weapon! All the dragons in the 4th edition MM have been raised in size so that none are "medium" creatures. That's where my 3.5 came in handy with the "Creating Monsters" section. Which stated a medium creature's tail attack would deal 1d6+STR damage. So there you have it. I gave my PC the ability to use his tail as a weapon. Then he asked me what type of damage it would do. I told him, choose! I let him choose between bludgeoning or slashing at character creation but he had to keep which ever he choose. Why slashing? Because one of the Tieflings in the PHB seems to have a sharp boney ridge on the end of her tail.. thus slashing as each tiefling is different right? Finally if you don't wish to give your PC an extra basic attack to choose from (as I told him it cannot be used for powers) Then take a look at the dragon entries and have him choose 1 of their Tail at-will powers. Ex. (From Black) "Everytime an opponent misses, the dragon can use it's tail to attack as an immediate reaction at-will power" or the reds, ability to use it whenever someone flanks him... anyway there's my two cents
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 26, 2008 - 9:14AM #56
Doom_Linnorm
Date Joined: Feb 28, 2006
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Here's an idea, make a Racial feat for Tieflings (and maybe Dragonborn) to get more use out of a tail.

My current system of creating balanced monster races to it narrow their base qualities down to PC race standard, leaving many monsters feeling gimped.
Then add a ton of racial feats that allow them to get the proper monster flavor and abilities.

Personaly I'm thinking of adding a heap of feats for Dragonborn (or their equivalent in my setting) and Tieflings (or their equivalent in my setting.)
A feat for a prehensile tail sounds just right for Heroic with a few Str, Dex and/or Con prerequisites.

Just remember to keep those feats roughly on par with existing ones.
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 26, 2008 - 9:51AM #57
Kaldo
Date Joined: Aug 26, 2008
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You can always arrange with the DM a house rule that the tail attack is actually a RP attack. That is, you roll as if you were attacking with normal hand attack, but actually you spin and slam the target with your tail
Maybe it is even possible to find a magic item (dagger) that you can attach to your tail, or if you have high strength / constitution you are able to lift or pull light items.
RP it :D
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 1:46AM #58
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I HATE THE
NEW TIEFLING TAILS!


I just can't take them seriouly.
Every time I see a lizard tail as long as a man,
I can't help but think of this song:


"Does your tail hang low?
Does it wobble to and fro?
Can you tie it in a knot?
Can you tie it in a bow?
Can you throw it o'er your shoulder
like a continental soldier?
Does your tail hang low?

Does your tail hang high?
Does it reach up to the sky?
Does it droop when it is wet?
Does it stiffen when it is dry?
Can you semaphore your neighbour
with a minimum of labour?
Does your tail hang high?

Does your tail flip-flop?
Can you use it for a mop?
Is it striped on the bottom?
Is it spikey at the top?
Can you use it for a swatter?
Can you use it for a blotter?
Does your tail flip-flop?

Does your tail hang out?
Can you waggle it about?
Can you flip it up and down
as you fly around the town?
Can you shut him up for sure
when you smack an awful bore?
Does your tail hang out?"


The anatomy of it is easily as bad as "Dragonboobs."
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 1:50AM #59
Doom_Linnorm
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O_O
*Wondering if he should congratulate for a coherent poem or remind him of so called "artistic license" and "fantasy"*

Though I agree from a biological standpoint.
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 31, 2008 - 12:36PM #60
mikropone
Date Joined: Aug 27, 2007
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Maybe having a dagger strapped on to the tail is like punk or something.
? probably a style thing.

It's also probably a way to passively keep people from getting too close to them.
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