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5 years ago ::
Jul 06, 2008 - 11:19AM
#481
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Worried about making new spells and how well they balance with existing stuff, I suppose. In the case where spells aren't *exactly* like what exists.
Page 42 of the DMG has damage by level and such.
Just check against it and see what you want the spell to do. Should be pretty cut and dry, in the end.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 06, 2008 - 8:14PM
#482
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Worried about making new spells and how well they balance with existing stuff, I suppose. In the case where spells aren't *exactly* like what exists.
But I don't want X many spells with absolutely identical affects. Variation is nice.
LOL I thought as much. You just want more options than everyone else and it's not about roleplaying. If it WAS just about the FEEL of the old wizard, then it shouldn't matter if the spells have the exact same mechanics if they look and are described differently. As I said, fireball as an ash storm, a lava spout and a steam bath would fill your need if it was about the feel.
I'm going to say that you weren't being truthful then when you said
Even if 20 of the attack spells did essentially the same thing, I liked the feel of variation.
If it's about the feel, you can change the descriptions no problem. If it's just being able to do 50 times as many things as anyone else, then it's not roleplaying, it's a need to be more useful and powerful than everyone else. Nothing as it stands with 4e stops you from playing a wizard with the feel you want if you roleplay it out. You can look through books and make as many spell descriptions as you want.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 06, 2008 - 8:18PM
#483
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LOL I thought as much. You just want more options than everyone else and it's not about roleplaying.
I didn't say you couldn't give others more options.
If it WAS just about the FEEL of the old wizard, then it shouldn't matter if the spells have the exact same mechanics if they look and are described differently.
Again your reasoning skills are very poor. You honestly can't think up any reason at all why what you propose is bad?
I'm going to say that you weren't being truthful then when you said If it's about the feel, you can change the descriptions no problem. If it's just being able to do 50 times as many things as anyone else
Again your ability to see things other than your own opinion is very limited.
Give others more versatility too if you want. I'm not asking for more versatility than others, I'm just asking for more versatility.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 06, 2008 - 8:31PM
#484
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I didn't say you couldn't give others more options
Give others more versatility too if you want. I'm not asking for more versatility than others, I'm just asking for more versatility.
Then it wouldn't be about the FEEL of wizards would it? I thought that was the point wasn't it? That the studious wizard had all these books of knowledge and that's why he should have all the options. Are you saying all characters should have as many options as your dragonlance wizards?
Again your reasoning skills are very poor. You honestly can't think up any reason at all why what you propose is bad?
Personally, I see nothing bad about it if it's really about the feel of wizards. I can see why YOU think it's bad, but is has nothing to do with roleplaying.
Again your ability to see things other than your own opinion is very limited.
I think the old saying goes 'takes one to know one'. There's also one about rocks and glass houses if you haven't heard of it.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 07, 2008 - 6:45AM
#485
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Then it wouldn't be about the FEEL of wizards would it?
I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
Give Wizards more non-ritual spells, lots more. That will make a Wizard feel like a 3e Wizard. Then do whatever else you have to as to balance the classes.
YOU think I'm saying "Give wizards more versatility than other classes". So when I said give wizards more versatility, then improve others to be balanced, you replied, "then it wouldn't be about the FEEL of wizards would it?"
But again you can't see past your own opinion.
I don't care what other classes do/have. They don't factor in to what I see interesting in a wizard.
Personally, I see nothing bad about it if it's really about the feel of wizards. I can see why YOU think it's bad, but is has nothing to do with roleplaying.
I think the old saying goes 'takes one to know one'. There's also one about rocks and glass houses if you haven't heard of it.
It seems obvious that you don't understand what either means, because neither fits in this context 
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5 years ago ::
Jul 07, 2008 - 11:53AM
#486
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I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
Give Wizards more non-ritual spells, lots more. That will make a Wizard feel like a 3e Wizard. Then do whatever else you have to as to balance the classes.
YOU think I'm saying "Give wizards more versatility than other classes". So when I said give wizards more versatility, then improve others to be balanced, you replied, "then it wouldn't be about the FEEL of wizards would it?"
But again you can't see past your own opinion.
I don't care what other classes do/have. They don't factor in to what I see interesting in a wizard.
If you want to make up a whole new game system from the ground up JUST so you can give wizards lots more non-ritual spells, good luck with that. In all honesty I fail to see the point, but if that floats your boat go for it. So just what do you expect to do to balance other classes to the more powerful wizard? You've already said you don't care what happens to them but you have to figure that out if you want to super-buff the wizard. Maybe you just want a game that gives everyone lots more powers instead of D&D? Maybe you should consider just playing 3.5 instead of trying to shoehorn the old mechanics into the new system.
It seems obvious that you don't understand what either means, because neither fits in this context
LOL Since you have been very close-minded about your own opinion, I can see why you didn't see that these applied. 
I do not see a point in continuing these talks. People have given you plenty of things you can do to get back the feel of the old wizard, but the only thing that will make you happy is if the wizard just has dozens more thing to do than everyone else (since you do not CARE about the other classes). I really think 3.5 is the game for you. Maybe you should check out pathfinder, it's keeping the wizard alive and well JUST the way you like it.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 07, 2008 - 12:03PM
#487
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LOL Since you have been very close-minded about your own opinion, I can see why you didn't see that these applied.
Right, sure.
I do not see a point in continuing these talks.
I agree, you're deceitful, you put words in other mouths then argue based upon such, you misunderstand just about everything you read, and you make assumptions, and then judge others by your own assumptions and not what they're saying (see previously when I suggested adding new spells. You thought this meant that only Wizards would get new spells, and didn't even consider the 1,000 other possibilities).
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5 years ago ::
Jul 12, 2008 - 10:52PM
#488
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AdrianLP, you seem to be more interested in attacking people than arguing your point. I agree with elecgraystone in suggesting that you stick with 3.5, or you could just not play a wizard. Stick to other classes instead. What ever you decide to do, stop whining about it.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 12, 2008 - 11:46PM
#489
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Why? It was all the whining that wizards listen to and went a bit overzealous with that caused the problem I have with 4E. Yeah wizards in 3.x COULD break the game...but you know what caused them not to? You ask your friends NOT to. Or the threat of MAD (mutually assured destruction)...if not playing with friends. Besdies which 4E already got broken and you have ask players nicely not to use some of the stuff CO people come up with anyways. So all that bland sameness was for naught really. And as splat books come out, this will become even more clear...and we can do it all over again in 4 years with 4.5...and another 4 years we can do 5th ed. But hey, we give wizards money and they keep doing the same thing over and over again. If we don't like it, we can post here and hope they change the next edition or splat or whatever to our liking...or we can stop supporting wizards altogether. If enough of us do that, then we can ALL stop playing D&D. We are fans. We are the ones who give or don't give wizards our hard earned money. They can listen or not. This is their boards and they can censor or not. Those of you who are 4E fan boys can either ignore us or continue these rather fruitless flame wars. But YOU do NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CENSOR US. You can do that about as much as me telling you guys to stop posting pro 4e stuff in the 3.x boards (that is I can say it, but it's just blowing hot air...into a room full of burning embers). Feeling WILL get hurt, names WILL be called and it's all for some rather useless gesture of feeling important (the truth is you aren't...neither am I...we as a collective is important to wizards...but you and me personally mean squat to them).
Okay that rant aside, adrian and EGS fighting stems a lot from EGS inability to see past his own bias and assumptions...even after getting them pointed out. He then uses his bias to put the WORST twist in the argument. It's like talking with a bottom of the rung slimeball lawyer where you have to watch every single word you say. In effect, it's like arguing with me when I am in the mood to absolutely annoy the bejeezers out of you because you P***ed me off. It is me when I get into flamewar mode. So basically what he is doing is enticing and prolonging a flamewar with nothing really added to it.
And you know what we can and will go play our previous edition...and wizards can continue to ignore us and lose money from us. But if they can't get more new players to replace the ones they lose, then we will all lose. SO before you tell people to stop complaing and accept it, just remember that.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 10:09AM
#490
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What ever you decide to do, stop whining about it.
Actually, if you'll kindly read the posts, you'll see I've done nothing but reply
Good try though.
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