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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:13PM
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Am i right in reading that a level 30 wizard or priest with Hundreds of spells to pick from and get 2 at will, 4 encounter , 4 daily and 7 utility. And thats it ? That doesnt seem that impressive.
That... is underwhelming and not very epic.. i always had the image of a wizard throwing dozens of diffrent kinds of spells but maybe thats just me.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:17PM
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Am i right in reading that a level 30 wizard or priest with Hundreds of spells to pick from and get 2 at will, 4 encounter , 4 daily and 7 utility. And thats it ? That doesnt seem that impressive.
That... is underwhelming and not very epic.. i always had the image of a wizard throwing dozens of diffrent kinds of spells but maybe thats just me.
Imagine the spells section of the previous PHB.
EACH class needs that if you want that.
Moreover, what does it add to the game? Not a whole lot.
Better to be clean, concise, and have a few good options than tons of meaningless ones and not very interesting ones with a few gems.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:21PM
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im more worried that your not flexible. Say as a wizard i pick fireball as an ecounter spell. Now i know were going to face say fire elementas who are immune to fire (for sake of argument say they are). Here i am a level 30 master of arcane,,, and sorry you cant change that.. your stuck with fireball. Meaning that if you use your three other encounters.. your hosed.. that fireball sits there. In 3.5 i could drop fireball for a haste or forcelance or something else.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:30PM
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Well you also have your At-Will, other Encounters like you said, Dailies and Utilities (which is where haste would be anyways, so you couldn't switch up fireball for haste).
Also got your Paragon Path and Epic Destiny Powers, as well as Action Points, and Powers from Items, and if you know your facing fire elementals then using your Spellbook (since were talking about Wizards here) to change up your Utility and Dailies to match.
Also if you were say a Archmage, one of your Daily Spells (which you can again swap in and out), becomes a Encounter one, and another Daily Spell you can choose each day to use twice per day.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:41PM
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Wait so you can change your dailys out? that would make a big diffrence ill read more
BTW what the hell
does 1[w] and 2[w] mean
I cant find it
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:42PM
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im more worried that your not flexible. Say as a wizard i pick fireball as an ecounter spell. Now i know were going to face say fire elementas who are immune to fire (for sake of argument say they are). Here i am a level 30 master of arcane,,, and sorry you cant change that.. your stuck with fireball. Meaning that if you use your three other encounters.. your hosed.. that fireball sits there. In 3.5 i could drop fireball for a haste or forcelance or something else.
Who says a master of the arcane has a variety of tactics at his disposal? Mages having a few signature spells is very COMMON. If you took fireball, and you're fighting fire elementals, tough. Why SHOULD you have more options than members of another class? You shouldn't.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:43PM
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[W] = Weapons Damage, so 1[W] is normal 2[W] is times 2.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 5:57PM
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Better to be clean, concise, and have a few good options than tons of meaningless ones and not very interesting ones with a few gems.
However, it is likely that the number of options will increase as time goes on.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 6:20PM
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Am i right in reading that a level 30 wizard or priest with Hundreds of spells to pick from and get 2 at will, 4 encounter, 4 daily and 7 utility. And thats it?
No, you are not correct. At level 30, a Wizard would have 6 at-will, 4 encounter, 8 daily, and 14 utility spells. Also, this doesn't include the 13 Rituals a Wizard gets to learn for free.
EDIT: I forget the 4 at-will cantrips a Wizard gets for free at first level...
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 6:30PM
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No, you are not correct. At level 30, a Wizard would have 6 at-will, 4 encounter, 8 daily, and 14 utility spells. Also, this doesn't include the 13 Rituals a Wizard gets to learn for free.
EDIT: I forget the 4 at-will cantrips a Wizard gets for free at first level...
Well, yes, that's how many dailies and encounters they KNOW. They can still only use the 4/4/7 that everyone else can.
I like it that way, but I just don't want to mislead anyone.
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