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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 9:50AM
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Ah, don't mind Aria, wells. Just one of those people who pretty much hates everything and isn't afraid to go out there and ruin everyone else's fun. That kind of dedication takes work! *hats off*
Oh, and Stray Man? I mostly have been gunning after a chance to play a Fey Warlock because I miss the Bard, and Feylocks get to do all that mischivious misdirection stuff, which should tide me over till my Bard gets republished.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 9:51AM
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Which pisses me off. WotC added the warlock to appease the anti-hero / emo brats that want to be dark and dangerous. Instead of keeping the core classes from 3e like they should have.
Yeah... people were just clamoring to play bards and barbarians and monks and sorcerers. 
Thank the dice they took out the druid for the first showing.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 10:00AM
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Druids were fun and interesting to play. Even without being a dumbass and abusing what RAW allows them to do. WotC should have kept the core 3e classes in the core 4e books. None of this everything is core bullshi t. Players and DM's alike have defined CORE as the PHB, DMG, and MM since the beginning of 3e. Attempting to change it out of greed is ridiculous. Just like holding back classes for that reason.
Ah, don't mind Aria, wells. Just one of those people who pretty much hates everything and isn't afraid to go out there and ruin everyone else's fun. That kind of dedication takes work! *hats off*[/quote]
I don't hate everything. I hate stupid things, which unfortunately means there's a lot of things to hate.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 10:08AM
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Meh, fair enough. Just hope you're watching your blood pressure. All that anger is NOT healthy. I've seen what it can do to people. Not pretty.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 10:53AM
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Which pisses me off. WotC added the warlock to appease the anti-hero / emo brats that want to be dark and dangerous. Instead of keeping the core classes from 3e like they should have.
Did you just refer to Mr. Rogers and Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poop as dark and emo? :D
"If you can't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you."
and
"Go beyond the impossible, and kick reason to the curb"
Kamina, from Gurren Lagann
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 11:11AM
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And 4e isn't 3e and isn't beholden to 3e tropes.
4e is it's own system.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 11:17AM
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4e is D&D in name only. The least they could have done was keep the same classes from the core books.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 12:00PM
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4e is D&D in name only. The least they could have done was keep the same classes from the core books.
[font="Helvetica"]You mean Fighting-Man, Magic-User, Cleric, and Thief? Well, Cleric is still here, but I haven't seen the other three around in a couple decades.
This is now and always has been a weak argument. It relies entirely on 3e's class lineup being acceptably superior to the additions and subtractions of classes prior to it. Simply put no full-edition of D&D has the exact same class lineup of any other edition, so what makes 3e's lineup the ultimate benchmark?[/font]
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 12:25PM
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There are exactly 7 things that cannot be removed from standard DnD, they are: Clerics, Rogues, Fighters, Wizards, Dungeons, Dragons, and Beholders. Otherwise, it's a now holds bared cage match for the best and/or most popular concepts to compete for the first three books.
4e is D&D in name only. The least they could have done was keep the same classes from the core books.
6/8 classes are repeats, if you want all of them to be repeats for no good reason then you might as well write "Bush" on the ballot when election day rolls around. :D
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In any case, I think it's because how popular Binders and Warlocks were back in 3.5e
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5 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2008 - 12:52PM
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You mean Fighting-Man, Magic-User, Cleric, and Thief? Well, Cleric is still here, but I haven't seen the other three around in a couple decades.
Defender, Controller, Leader, Striker.
This is now and always has been a weak argument. It relies entirely on 3e's class lineup being acceptably superior to the additions and subtractions of classes prior to it. Simply put no full-edition of D&D has the exact same class lineup of any other edition, so what makes 3e's lineup the ultimate benchmark?
It was superior.
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