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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:06PM
#71
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2008
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Show me a single feat you can take that gives you another race's racial power (not counting feats for revenants; duplicating another race is their schtick).
Twofold Pact gives you the human racial power.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:09PM
#72
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Twofold Pact gives you the human racial power.
Incorrect. Twofold pact gives you another pact, with the unfortunate side effect of granting another at-will. It does not allow you to select a free bonus at-will from any choice you desire in your class, and is exclusive to a single class. Moreover, it's broken.
Your only example is a more restrictive feat which people generally agree is still too powerful.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:14PM
#73
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Date Joined:
Jan 31, 2009
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I didn't read through all the posts, so forgive me if someone has this idea already.
Gaining a class At-Will for a feat is balanced with humans if give humans a boost with the same feat. For instance:
Class Mastery
Gain a bonus level 1 At-Will power from your class. If you are human, you also deal +1 damage with all level 1 At-Will powers.
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Class Mastery
Gain a bonus level 1 At-Will power from your class. If you are human, you instead gain two level 1 At-Will powers from your class.
The first example is more balanced. The second favors controllers and is useless to some classes until their power book comes out.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:16PM
#74
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- Hero Artisan Gold Medalist
Date Joined:
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I didn't read through all the posts, so forgive me if someone has this idea already.
Gaining a class At-Will for a feat is balanced with humans if give humans a boost with the same feat. For instance:
Class Mastery
Gain a bonus level 1 At-Will power from your class. If you are human, you also deal +1 damage with all level 1 At-Will powers.
or
Class Mastery
Gain a bonus level 1 At-Will power from your class. If you are human, you instead gain two level 1 At-Will powers from your class.
I'm having trouble thinking of a single character I've made (of several dozen; I enjoy it) that wouldn't take that feat.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:18PM
#75
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I didn't read through all the posts, so forgive me if someone has this idea already.
Gaining a class At-Will for a feat is balanced with humans if give humans a boost with the same feat. For instance:
Class Mastery
Gain a bonus level 1 At-Will power from your class. If you are human, you also deal +1 damage with all level 1 At-Will powers.
or
Class Mastery
Gain a bonus level 1 At-Will power from your class. If you are human, you instead gain two level 1 At-Will powers from your class.
The first example is more balanced. The second isn't useful for most classes.
This I might be able to get behind, so long as it doesn't grant its human bonus to half-humans (they get racial benefits and racial powers already as well). A better way to word it might be:
"Gain a bonus level 1 at-will power for your class. If you already get a bonus level 1 at-will power for your class as a racial feature, you instead gain two level 1 at-will powers for your class."
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:29PM
#76
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Date Joined:
Feb 18, 2008
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When you have to twist and turn and hem and haw to make it work, the basic answer is this: it doesn't, and you're trying to cram a round peg into a square hole. If it allowed you to, say, pick an at-will power and use it once per encounter when you use an action point, that might be a fair paragon path ability, but for a single feat, it's ridiculous.
Maybe in epic tier it would be allowable, but then again, epic tier is weird.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:35PM
#77
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Date Joined:
Jan 31, 2009
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I'm having trouble thinking of a single character I've made (of several dozen; I enjoy it) that wouldn't take that feat.
Hmmm...maybe should be paragon. By paragon you're using your at-wills less and +1 damage doesn't mean as much, so it should be more balanced all around.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 4:43PM
#78
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Date Joined:
Jan 15, 2009
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Nobody picks humans because of how unique and different they are; if you're not picking them because you just like being a human, you are picking them because of the mechanical benefits they offer you. These mechanical benefits are still present whether the feat exists or not; you either start out with 2-3 bonus NACDs, a bonus feat, and a bonus at-will, or you start out with 2-3 bonus NACDs and 2 bonus feats.
<Ioun> they're apparently making a MolIsCool pp
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 6:03PM
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...You either start out with 2-3 bonus NACDs, a bonus feat, and a bonus at-will, or you start out with 2-3 bonus NACDs and 2 bonus feats.
Umm... what?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2009 - 6:07PM
#80
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2008
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Incorrect. Twofold pact gives you another pact, with the unfortunate side effect of granting another at-will. It does not allow you to select a free bonus at-will from any choice you desire in your class, and is exclusive to a single class. Moreover, it's broken.
Your only example is a more restrictive feat which people generally agree is still too powerful.
You are correct that Two fold pact is better then the extra human at-will racial power.
Please explain how it does not allow you to select a free at will from any choice you desire in your class?
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