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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 7:37AM
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I can honestly say that I appreciate 3.5 less and less everytime I play or dm 4e. (especially Dm)
Anything about Super Awesome Magic, from 3.5 is basically a Plot Device Spell, which falls under the Ritual Category to me. (The FR Player's guide even talks about this sort of thing)
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 7:41AM
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I believe all the other types are out for the new edition of Exalted. Lunars certainly are, and I really like what they've done with them. They're still enemies of the Realm, but now their plans are a little bit more thought out, which is appropriate considering that the ancient Lunars should have the highest mental stats in the world.
Now just need to find someone willing to run in the lakeland/tampa area. Because I love NWOD especially changeling, wish my game of that was still going on but oh well.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 7:50AM
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It's not nostalga; i actually do enjoy 3.5 more than i used to after playing 4e.
I do find it amusing how few people are able to appreciate both systems for their individual merits, but that's not for this thread.
It's like comparing Chess and Checkers and wondering why people don't enjoy both.
The feel of the games is very different and appeals to different people depending upon what they want from the game.
-James
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 7:51AM
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I'm not wondering why people don't enjoy both, i fully know why people don't enjoy both.
I'm not asking a question here, i'm initiating a discussion.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 7:52AM
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I never developed a taste for high level magic because all the classes that got it were Vancian and variable spell lists are my definition of unfun.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 8:20AM
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 8:24AM
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Cheers Ryath, lets try and keep it clear from now on guys.
I never developed a taste for high level magic because all the classes that got it were Vancian and variable spell lists are my definition of unfun.
Fair enough. I'm curious though; why do you find vancian magic unfun? Not to try and suggest you're wrong or anything, i just find the viewpoints of others interesting.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 8:29AM
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Cheers Ryath, lets try and keep it clear from now on guys.
/agree
Fair enough. I'm curious though; why do you find vancian magic unfun? Not to try and suggest you're wrong or anything, i just find the viewpoints of others interesting.
From my personal viewpoint, I'd like to say that I disliked vancian primarily because fighters and other classes got nothing that came even close. Also, it's for me personally just not very fun that you can do something once per day and be done with it, obsoleted for the rest of the day.
One of my campaigns got wrecked by vancian casting, accidentially so even, by the sorcerer who was just too powerful in comparison to everyone else... 
I am not against vancian casting per se, just that it needs to be spread evenly, that everyone plays the same basic game.
I am not exactly a balance-freak in general, but for D&D I find it just suitable somehow. I like me some Mutant Chronicles "roll your character" or other unbalanced games, but D&D? That I'd like to be balanced and I think 4E is the best D&D as of yet - for me, that is.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 8:32AM
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So for you it's not so much vancian magic in and of itself as it is the fact that some people can do it and some cannot?
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 8:37AM
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Aye. The problem for me is that in older editions different classes played different games.
The fighter could go all day long if he had healing, which sadly was dependent on either wand o' cure or vancian cleric. So the fighter was moderately powerful in general but he was so all day long.
The casters could nova once or twice, dominate one or two encounters totally ad absurdum and just generally go GOD a few times per day. They were extremely powerful. For... a few minutes. And then they were nothing at all, except wasting ammo of a crossbow.
Then there were other classes caught in the middle, like the rogue who could use magic items with the UMD skill.
Generally it was just playing different games at large, which resulted in the problems generally known. That is just problematic and can't be balanced at all.
So, as long as everyone has comparable capabilities at least in general, all is well. That's why I like exalted. You can play a fighter or a loremaster who knows high level sorcery, but generally the powers can be compared and weighted against one another, giving everyone similar powerbase to draw from.
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