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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:28PM
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I agree with the OP. She's missing a couple of key details: a standard encounter power to raise a legion of undead,
I can imagine it.
She uses the power and raises 10,000 Undead. Imagine how powerful this power would be if used in tight quarters. Pressed to death by Level 1 Minions. Mwaha.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:33PM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
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I can imagine it.
She uses the power and raises 10,000 Undead. Imagine how powerful this power would be if used in tight quarters. Pressed to death by Level 1 Minions. Mwaha.
But from what some of you are implying is that before the adventurers arrive the lich could raise an army of a million and they all wait for the adventurers to arrive since it's apparently left up to the DM? .
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:37PM
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To be more accurate, the rules for the monster don't exist to do out-of-combat things. Because what they do out of combat should be in the DMs purview anyway, rather than telling the DM "no, he can only achieve this task"
Exactly. A creature does not have to have every single ability statted out. You want a vampire to have permanently enslaved followers? *poof* You can do that, you don't need to apply templates or rework the creature.
It's called freedom, which 4e mercifully grants.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:44PM
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But from what some of you are implying is that before the adventurers arrive the lich could raise an army of a million and they all wait for the adventurers to arrive since it's apparently left up to the DM? Thats why in my opinion 4th edition is nothing more than a video game.
Why should raising an army take six seconds? Raising undead in masses during a fight is just stupid. I know if I was a lich I would prepare an army of undead, not to stop adventurers, but because I'm a frakin Lich!
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:45PM
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Thats why in my opinion 4th edition is nothing more than a video game.
video game
–noun
1. any of various games played using a microcomputer with a keyboard and often joysticks to manipulate changes or respond to the action or questions on the screen.
2. any of various games played using a microchip-controlled device, as an arcade machine or hand-held toy.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:47PM
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But from what some of you are implying is that before the adventurers arrive the lich could raise an army of a million and they all wait for the adventurers to arrive since it's apparently left up to the DM?
The lich summons a value of undead known as "enough". Enough for their own encounter, or the encounters before, or enough to make sense in the campaign. This could be a lich on their own with a few powerful undead guards, a lich with a dungeon full doing their own thing, or yes, a lich with an army of unstoppable monstrosities destroying every village in the kingdom. The amount they can summon is roughly the amount they did summon, and it's detrimental to say that they can summon a handful when the DM wants them in charge of an innumerable army. Or vice versa. Or any other layer in between.
And yes the amount they can summon is up to the DM. Or what, did all your generals in old games base their retinue off how good their Leadership score was?
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:53PM
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But from what some of you are implying is that before the adventurers arrive the lich could raise an army of a million and they all wait for the adventurers to arrive since it's apparently left up to the DM? Thats why in my opinion 4th edition is nothing more than a video game.
As the poster above me implies, you got zero idea what a videogame is. Theoretically anything could be a videogame, just so you know.
But yes, the lich could raise an army to terrorize the lands, sending out his minions (not the game-term minions, but minions-minions) and try to carve his realm. That's what this kind of thing usually leads up to.
And yes, the PC's would arrive at his lair after slaying many of his undead monstrosities on the way. And yes they would battle more hordes of the living dead.
So where's the problem?
You think D&D 4E is bad or severely limited (because that's what you try to say with the buzzword "videogame"), because the DM decides there are monsters waiting in the lichs lair?
Seeeeriously, is this any even so little bit different from any old edition?
You as DM place the monsters and all. Done and done.
Did you calculate the Wealth per Level for you lich in 3rd Edition and calculate how many undead he could create with his allotment of money? Seriously?
Tell me, in how-far is the described scenario (lich creates undead, raids towns and makes his monsters defend his lair) different in the two editions? Care to elaborate?
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:54PM
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The one glaring example of fluff not matching the stats is the 'Serpentskin Armor' which lets you super-Shift once a day.
"Made from the discarded scales of a giant snake, this armor will carries the serpent's resistance to poison."
To be fair, the description never mentions granting the wearer resistance to poison... only that the armor is resistant to poison. :D
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:55PM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
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As the poster above me implies, you got zero idea what a videogame is. Theoretically anything could be a videogame, just so you know.
But yes, the lich could raise an army to terrorize the lands, sending out his minions (not the game-term minions, but minions-minions) and try to carve his realm. That's what this kind of thing usually leads up to.
And yes, the PC's would arrive at his lair after slaying many of his undead monstrosities on the way. And yes they would battle more hordes of the living dead.
So where's the problem?
You think D&D 4E is bad or severely limited (because that's what you try to say with the buzzword "videogame"), because the DM decides there are monsters waiting in the lichs lair?
Seeeeriously, is this any even so little bit different from any old edition?
You as DM place the monsters and all. Done and done.
Did you calculate the Wealth per Level for you lich in 3rd Edition and calculate how many undead he could create with his allotment of money? Seriously?
Tell me, in how-far is the described scenario (lich creates undead, raids towns and makes his monsters defend his lair) different in the two editions? Care to elaborate?
Actually I know exactly what a video game is because I am a video game programmer.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:56PM
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To be fair, the description never mentions granting the wearer resistance to poison... only that the armor is resistant to poison. :D
Reminds me of the phaser-proof vest gag from a Star Trek Comic. The vest was untouched. The person wearing it was disintegrated utterly. 
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