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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:16PM #21
Awesome_Dude
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Rustmonster wrote:

Umm... I don't understand what you are talking about. I have no right to voice my opinion on the matter of "quantifiable", objective alighnment?


Awesome_Dude]Having a problem with the idea of objective morality does not give you any leverage in debating its merit.[/quote wrote:

Having a problem with the idea of objective morality does not give you any leverage in debating its merit.


Awesome_Dude]Having a problem with the idea of objective morality does not give you any leverage in debating its merit.[/quote wrote:

Having a problem with the idea of objective morality does not give you any leverage in debating its merit.


Awesome_Dude]Having a problem with the idea of objective morality[/quote wrote:

Having a problem with the idea of objective morality


Awesome_Dude]Having a problem with the idea of objective morality[/quote wrote:

Having a problem with the idea of objective morality


Rustmonster wrote:

Umm... I don't understand what you are talking about.


Understatement of the century. The point is that personal opinions don't give anything concrete and thus are not permissible as evidence any more than "I don't like the idea of a round earth."

And really, that was my biggest beef with alighnment, in 3E especially. It was tangible. You could actually PHYSICALLY ASSAULT someones morals.


Yeah, and why wouldn't you? If you have a choice between bombing everything in your path and bombing only the Evil creatures attacking you, which would you rather have? The latter tends to spare lives, you know.

It just seemed dumb to me that my characters personality can be used to punish me by making an enemy beat me over the head with it.


It's no different from getting fire thrown in your face.

But, yeah, I guess since I don't share your veiw, my opinion doesn't matter, right?


That's a heinous mischaracterization of my position and a seriously paranoid thing to say.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:34PM #22
Exposed_Wires
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Awesome_Dude wrote:

That's a heinous mischaracterization of my position and a seriously paranoid thing to say.


I dunno, man. I kinda got the same impression from your post as rustmonster.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:37PM #23
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:40PM #24
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Exposed_Wires wrote:

I dunno, man. I kinda got the same impression from your post as rustmonster.


So? What I said is abundantly clear: Opinions do not count as fact. Ever. I don't know how he or anybody could have gotten from it that I was exalting myself above others when it's spelled out so categorically.

Then again, I have debated some ridiculously irrational people. Like, "if you don't want rapists to get the death penalty then you are pro-rape" irrational. So it's not implausible that someone could derive it.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:42PM #25
Exposed_Wires
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Awesome_Dude wrote:

So? What I said is abundantly clear: Opinions do not count as fact. Ever. I don't know how he or anybody could have gotten from it that I was exalting myself above others when it's spelled out so categorically.

Then again, I have debated some ridiculously irrational people. Like, "if you don't want rapists to get the death penalty then you are pro-rape" irrational. So it's not implausible that someone could derive it.


The point was that you were being incredibly rude about it. It's like you were trying to start something. The only purpose your response served was to tell him is opinion didn't matter.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:47PM #26
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Rustmonster wrote:

I'm sorry I didn't place "In my opinion" in front of what I said. I wasn't saying it as any sort of "evidence", I have no idea where you got that idea. I never realized I was on trial and had to defend my opinion.

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I will say again, since you probably were not listening, it was my opinion only. Sorry to offend you so badly that you felt the need to waste page space being obnoxious.

If I am being wrong here, stop being antagonistic, and actually realize that I never wanted to brandish my opinion as "evidence", so that you don't feel the need to have to "defend" against me.


I stated a fact and you act like I put you on trial. So answer me: Am I being defensive or are you being hysterical?

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:50PM #27
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:54PM #28
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 1:59PM #29
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Rustmonster wrote:

Again, I never meant to state it as "fact". YOU are the one who implied I did.


I implied no such thing.

Really, calm down. If you agree to be civil about this, we can all forget this dumb fight.


I am calm. Note the lack of bombast in my writing pattern. And the lack of all-caps (which actually means I'm mocking you, but I only do that when I'm annoyed).

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 04, 2008 - 2:02PM #30
Exposed_Wires
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Awesome_Dude wrote:

I implied no such thing.


Neutral third party: You did.

If you didn't mean to, and meant something else, you botched the delivery.

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