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5 years ago  ::  Oct 05, 2008 - 7:54AM #4661
Fabius_Maximus
Date Joined: Sep 13, 2003
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Outlaw68 wrote:

Where did Williamhm75 even state they should?


He didn't. I misinterpreted his posting. Sorry.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 9:48AM #4662
axetank
Date Joined: Sep 19, 2008
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williamhm75 wrote:

Not everyone should do the same I personally liked the versatility doing so offered me, however because of it I had no meta psionic feats you could argue it either way. However I do not play 3.5 anymore, nor will I play it ever again.


Actually, the only thing I didn't like about psionics in 3.5 was that you had to expend psionic focus for the metapsionic feats. Maybe having the ability to gain a special version of psionic focus usable for metapsionic feats as a free action a number of times per turn based on your level would have been nice. Then changing that one that lets you expend it more than once on a single power to removing the level limit.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 1:53PM #4663
Samyueru
Date Joined: Jun 21, 2006
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axetank wrote:

More like this:

Pretty much, but with a lot more on the domain list.


So (in a very basic way) you want Wizards to pick a "school" of magic, let's say Fire. And then that Wizard can only pick Fire spells, or a certain percentage of spells he knows has to be fire spells? Then there could be other lists, like cold, sonic, domination etc.

I see where you're going with this, and it could actually help balance the wizard in 3.5. Restricting them to a set list before they even start choosing spells would take a lot of power away from them while still allowing them to contribute to the group in a meaningful way.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 1:55PM #4664
Samyueru
Date Joined: Jun 21, 2006
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axetank wrote:

Actually, the only thing I didn't like about psionics in 3.5 was that you had to expend psionic focus for the metapsionic feats. Maybe having the ability to gain a special version of psionic focus usable for metapsionic feats as a free action a number of times per turn based on your level would have been nice. Then changing that one that lets you expend it more than once on a single power to removing the level limit.


In my eyes, having to spend your psionic focus to activate some feats was the only thing keeping the class from bringing the nine hells to bear on every game they were in.

Then there's that feat that let's you regain it as a move action. Bravo Wizards, bravo.

If anything I say is wrong, clueless or spelt incorrectly, it is because, I am, in general, wrong, clueless and... Well, I'm usually spelt correctly.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2008 - 9:48AM #4665
axetank
Date Joined: Sep 19, 2008
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Samyueru wrote:

In my eyes, having to spend your psionic focus to activate some feats was the only thing keeping the class from bringing the nine hells to bear on every game they were in.

Then there's that feat that let's you regain it as a move action. Bravo Wizards, bravo.


If you're referring to the nova effect, all a DM has to do is use an illusion or put threatening guards to the entrance to make the guy use some power points.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2008 - 11:50AM #4666
williamhm75
Date Joined: Jan 22, 2008
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axetank wrote:

Actually, the only thing I didn't like about psionics in 3.5 was that you had to expend psionic focus for the metapsionic feats. Maybe having the ability to gain a special version of psionic focus usable for metapsionic feats as a free action a number of times per turn based on your level would have been nice. Then changing that one that lets you expend it more than once on a single power to removing the level limit.


psionic medatation feat, and if you could do what you want it would be even more broken.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2008 - 11:54AM #4667
williamhm75
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axetank wrote:

If you're referring to the nova effect, all a DM has to do is use an illusion or put threatening guards to the entrance to make the guy use some power points.


Um psions have high will saves, and at higher levels can have truesight permanently, and will do this if they are smart. And no doing what you want would have made psions far too poweful, as is psions were on par with wizards and psychic warriors powned traditional fighters in almost evrery way, now with the power list of 4e the game is balanced, and each class is still very distinctive, heck each class can have 2 or 3 all look and play somewhat differently a dark pact lock, fey pact lock and hell lock will all play very differently.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2008 - 12:44PM #4668
axetank
Date Joined: Sep 19, 2008
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williamhm75 wrote:

Um psions have high will saves, and at higher levels can have truesight permanently, and will do this if they are smart. And no doing what you want would have made psions far too poweful, as is psions were on par with wizards and psychic warriors powned traditional fighters in almost evrery way, now with the power list of 4e the game is balanced, and each class is still very distinctive, heck each class can have 2 or 3 all look and play somewhat differently a dark pact lock, fey pact lock and hell lock will all play very differently.


Psions powers did not scale in damage. A 10th level wizard's fireball did 10d6 damage. A psion had to pay more power points to make his abilities deal 10d6 damage. Also, prismatic sphere. A psion was nowhere near in power level to a wizard played intelligently.

For further proof I direct you here.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2008 - 1:46PM #4669
Samyueru
Date Joined: Jun 21, 2006
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axetank wrote:

Psions powers did not scale in damage. A 10th level wizard's fireball did 10d6 damage. A psion had to pay more power points to make his abilities deal 10d6 damage. Also, prismatic sphere. A psion was nowhere near in power level to a wizard played intelligently.

For further proof I direct you here.


As much of a surprise as this is, I have to agree with PsionX here to an extent. A psion may have gotten more power points than a wizard did spells at each level, but level 7 powers, for example all cost (I think) 9 pp to manifest as their most basic effect. Add in to that fact the fact that psions could not spend more pp on 1 power than their manifester level, and you quickly discover that a psions power is most certainly not all in the damage it can deal.

If anything I say is wrong, clueless or spelt incorrectly, it is because, I am, in general, wrong, clueless and... Well, I'm usually spelt correctly.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2008 - 11:15AM #4670
pudgeheap
Date Joined: Sep 21, 2008
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Samyueru wrote:

As much of a surprise as this is, I have to agree with PsionX here to an extent. A psion may have gotten more power points than a wizard did spells at each level, but level 7 powers, for example all cost (I think) 9 pp to manifest as their most basic effect. Add in to that fact the fact that psions could not spend more pp on 1 power than their manifester level, and you quickly discover that a psions power is most certainly not all in the damage it can deal.


Actually, a 7th level power is 13 power points, and also, in addition to the cap, once you realize how much you'd be burning in the way of power points just to keep up in damage, you see that it's really not worth it to try.

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