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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:14PM #11
Rant_Casey
Date Joined: Jul 17, 2008
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I think everyone who is blowing the original poster off with cynicism and sarcasm should really stop and think. Read the words, each and every one of them. To me, this is one of the most insightful and well put together analysis of the 4th edition D&D system I have ever seen.

There are people how look at the surface of things, and simply twist all arguments to support their own initial belief. Face it, it's easier to do that than to actually *challenge* your own beliefs. This is some real introspection, here, and I think we would all benefit from taking it seriously, and giving it the time and consideration it deserves.

Don't just set out, determined to *keep* your existing viewpoint. Look at the real reasons behind *why* you feel that way, and maybe, you'll find that it's for all the wrong reasons.

I think the "tyrrany of fun" is a visionary look at this phenomenon in the gaming industry. By making us all the same, we all lose.
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:19PM #12
jsaint
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2008
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there was nothing wrong with the writing. i wont comment on the quality of the argument, but the penmanship was fine.

thank-you to the original poster for providing this article.
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:21PM #13
Quiterjon
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2007
Posts: 951

Rant_Casey wrote:

I think everyone who is blowing the original poster off with cynicism and sarcasm should really stop and think. Read the words, each and every one of them. To me, this is one of the most insightful and well put together analysis of the 4th edition D&D system I have ever seen.

There are people how look at the surface of things, and simply twist all arguments to support their own initial belief. Face it, it's easier to do that than to actually *challenge* your own beliefs. This is some real introspection, here, and I think we would all benefit from taking it seriously, and giving it the time and consideration it deserves.

Don't just set out, determined to *keep* your existing viewpoint. Look at the real reasons behind *why* you feel that way, and maybe, you'll find that it's for all the wrong reasons.

I think the "tyrrany of fun" is a visionary look at this phenomenon in the gaming industry. By making us all the same, we all lose.


There are people how look at the surface of things, and simply twist all arguments to support their own initial belief. Face it, it's easier to do that than to actually *challenge* your own beliefs.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:21PM #14
The_Ubbergeek
Date Joined: Jan 28, 2004
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Not, not at all.

What you described - only seeing your point, and seeing it as truth - applies also to that.

It's a mere opinion, and debated wrong. The recap is wrong - you are not same, you are egal in fair chance.

Again, we see biaised arguments presenting as truth.

Edit; Toward Rant_Casey
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:35PM #15
mudbunny
Date Joined: Sep 28, 2006
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Rant_Casey wrote:

I think everyone who is blowing the original poster off with cynicism and sarcasm should really stop and think. Read the words, each and every one of them. To me, this is one of the most insightful and well put together analysis of the 4th edition D&D system I have ever seen.


:shrug: That's your point of view.

I read the words. I read it a couple of times to make sure I understood what he was saying, and I think that I summed it up pretty good with my post above. The posts, as quoted by the OP, is by someone saying that there is only one true version of fun, and that anyone who holds a different viewpoint is wrong. It is the Internet at its finest.

Sure, they use a lot of paragraphs to say it, but that is all it comes down to.

Mudbunny
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:37PM #16
thecasualoblivion
Date Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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The Tyranny of Fun is upon us. The Holocaust where all non-fun will be liquidated in an efficient fashion is now forthcoming.
...whatever
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:41PM #17
The_Ubbergeek
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Untruth dressed up as pretentious intelectualism and with heavy weight of text is still untruth.
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:42PM #18
Undrave
Date Joined: Jun 30, 2008
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So essentially... 'players who don't know all the intricacies of the game, aka bad players, can have fun, ergo the game is bad'??

Mar 24, 2010 -- 9:35AM, Mcnancy wrote:

I love Horseshoecrabfolk.

What I love most about them is that they seem to be the one thing that we all can agree on.


See for yourself, click here!

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:43PM #19
behkat
Date Joined: Jun 10, 2008
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Mmm... ad hominem and pejorative generalizations. Oh intarwebs, you never change.

On the (only slightly) more serious side; isn't this whole series of rants just advocating an alternative "tyranny of fun?"
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 5:49PM #20
DaidojiTaidoru
Date Joined: Sep 28, 2006
Posts: 3,105
I've carefully read this and am going to respond with an arguement of equal merit.

LoL. Go back to /3.
Well...  At least we got custom avatars....
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