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mouselim wrote:

A person with profession in cleaning has 6 skill points and another person with profession in herbal lore has also 6 skill points.
To clean a house well, the DM set DC check is 10 (eg only) whereas to be a good herbalist for specialized ailments, the DM set DC check as 30. So, no matter what person 2 try, he cannot make a decent living as a herbalist (20+6 < 30). However, person 1 can of course make that living (20+6 > 10) hence person 1 earns 13 gp per week.

The problem with this is that no cleaner should be earning 13gp a week. A good cleaner, working for a Lord, might make 1g a week. That's where DM discretion is really needed.

Maxperson wrote:

4ed fails on this front as well. It may be simpler, but in order for it to make sense, I NEED to change the rules and how they function together. All 4ed changes over 3ed in this regard, is WHY I need to change the rules.

Then why do you constantly come here expecting them to go "Sorry here's your 3e back" Just leave already. It doesn't suit you. Gotcha. Everyone knows that. We don't need to be reminded of it. Time and time again.

Maxperson wrote:

The problem with this is that no cleaner should be earning 13gp a week. A good cleaner, working for a Lord, might make 1g a week. That's where DM discretion is really needed.

And how much would a gardener make? Or a minstrel? Or a brickmaker? Or a builder? Or a butler? Or a goldsmith? Or a mine worker? Or a weaponsmith?

Essentially the rule as it is written in the PHB is a headshot for itself. You simply cannot make Profession into a skill and say "yeah well anybody earns half his check in gp - done"

Aeolius wrote:

bah! Okay, suppose the urban setting had seasonal festivals. The autumn festival involved a massive burning man effigy. Someone's gotta weave the thing! Running an Inn is easier; it involves a business sense that would serve a person well in urban settings, as well as a general "people person" skill that would work in cities and dungeons.

Haha, it works, it works.

However, the emphasized part, I want to make a quick comment about.

It is my opinion that "mundane/non-combat/social/etc" skills (such as Craft or Perform) should not be allowed to bypass existing skills or mechanics. For example, Profession: Innkeeper should not allow one to bypass the existing Diplomacy skill. If a DM insists on injecting these types of skills into the game, they need to define them in such a way that they don't obsolete or walk-over existing skills. (That said, instead of adding skills I advocate a form of the old "Non-Weapon Proficiencies" which would simply allow appropriate ability-score checks, perhaps with a bonus to said checks, or even to other, associated, skills.)

Cpt_Micha wrote:

Then why do you constantly come here expecting them to go "Sorry here's your 3e back" Just leave already. It doesn't suit you. Gotcha. Everyone knows that. We don't need to be reminded of it. Time and time again.

I don't, but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Nor do I care.