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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:16PM
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I read the excerpts, I read the PHB and DMG all the way through. I read all the errata, and the entire [s]Rules D&D Compendium.
Do those count as "thorough"?
I don't like 4th.
That's okay. Then, the only thing left is to learn to love the Previous edition forums.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:18PM
#42
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Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:19PM
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I read the excerpts, I read the PHB and DMG all the way through. I read all the errata, and the entire [s]Rules D&D Compendium.
Do those count as "thorough"?
Not really, no.
With any game there's a wide gulf between reading it and playing it, and that's especially pronounced with 4e.
Now that I'm playing LFR I'm getting to watch a lot of players coming to 4e for the first time, and I'm seeing a lot of reaction along the lines of "oh, I never really understood why they did that with the 4e rules, but now that I see it in action, I totally get it."
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:21PM
#44
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That's okay. Then, the only thing left is to learn to love the Previous edition forums.
No, sorry you are wrong. Everyone else think I must play the game for a few months or so before I can claim I don't like 4th edition. So did you bump your head, or have they not brainwashed you yet? 
It is refreshing to see someone who enjoys 4th that can accept reading the rules as viable to tell whether you like the game or not. 
SEE!!!!!! look right above this post for one of them now! Look out they will try to brainwash you next!
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:25PM
#45
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No, sorry you are wrong. Everyone else think I must play the game for a few months or so before I can claim I don't like 4th edition. So did you bump your head, or have they not brainwashed you yet?
It is refreshing to see someone who enjoys 4th that can accept reading the rules as viable to tell whether you like the game or not.
SEE!!!!!! look right above this post for one of them now! Look out they will try to brainwash you next!
He DOES have a bit of a point in that 4th plays much better than it reads. Still, a thorough reading is very good credit to your name. More than what many other anti-4e people can say. We might butt heads, but that you actually RTFM earns my respect.
PS: Actually, it's not necessary to play for months. A quick run of Kobold hall is probably enough.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:31PM
#46
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[s]RTFM? nvm, its late. ID 10-T moment there. 1st AD&D plays better than it reads, but still its verbose college book format reads better than 4th....  I think it even included a glossary and index. Granted the index was about as useful as 4th's.....
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:32PM
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I read the excerpts, I read the PHB and DMG all the way through. I read all the errata, and the entire [s]Rules D&D Compendium.
Do those count as "thorough"?
I don't like 4th.
Nuts... well, to be blunt:
I've only ever played one game of D&D, I've never read any of the books or heard anyone talking about them, I don't visit any local gamestores, I don't have a gaming group, and I've never played any P&P game except the aforementioned game of D&D. However, I can definitively say that based on what I've read advertised by the avengers as the selling points of D&D and watching some 4e gameplay by WotC staff... I hate 4e*.
*and I'm the kind of guy who generally likes mmorpgs... weird huh?
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:34PM
#48
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To really understand the game and fully decide whether you DO like it or not, you really do have to play it. That's the only way to have a solid opinion. Reading the rules is NOT enough.
Reading the rules IS enough to have an impression on whether or not you MIGHT like it. But then, you don't truly like or dislike it yet, you're just sure enough for yourself that you will or won't. But, it's an understandable opinion either way by that point.
Reading less than half the rules ONCE...doesn't even qualify one to have an opinion worth a rat's crap in the first place. Such people's views are completely disregarded by me outright and often end up getting into my ignore list.
And finally...
You can lead a horse to water...and if it won't drink, kill it and get a smarter horse.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:35PM
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To really understand the game and fully decide whether you DO like it or not, you really do have to play it. That's the only way to have a solid opinion. Reading the rules is NOT enough.
Reading the rules IS enough to have an impression on whether or not you MIGHT like it. But then, you don't truly like or dislike it yet, you're just sure enough for yourself that you will or won't. But, it's an understandable opinion either way by that point.
Reading less than half the rules ONCE...doesn't even qualify one to have an opinion worth a rat's crap in the first place. Such people's views are completely disregarded by me outright and often end up getting into my ignore list.
And finally...
You can lead a horse to water...and if it won't drink, kill it and get a smarter horse.
But remember to beat the first horse after step 1. :P
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:36PM
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SEE!!!!!! look right above this post for one of them now! Look out they will try to brainwash you next!
You could decide not to rent a movie after reading the DVD case, or decide not to buy a book after reading the back cover, but you certainly wouldn't start saying you didn't like the movie, or the book, because you'd know that you weren't informed enough to make a judgement like that.
In the case of a game, simply reading the rules is not a valid measure of the quality of the game. I would never accept that someone who simply read the rules of Monopoly or Risk could make a fair judgement on what gameplay was like without actually trying it, and probably trying it several times. And 4e D&D is many times more complicated than those simple board games, so the principle is even more applicable.
It's a little bit like Tarzan. After spending his life alone in the jungle with various books, he could read and write English perfectly well, but he had no idea of how to speak the language.
The other thought that occurs to me is anyone so firm in their beliefs they refuse to challenge them by actually trying the game out probably isn't as sure as they like to believe.
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