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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:29PM
#1431
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Date Joined:
Jun 13, 2008
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No, they are heroic tier. Every person you quoted above would count as heroic tier. I would go so far to say (since I am an atheist), that every human being who ever lived was heroic tier. If you are a theist, than your mileage may vary due to miracles.
What does religious belief have to do with keeping these historical figures under level 10?
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:30PM
#1432
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Jun 19, 2008
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Man, this totally calls for a Chuck Norris joke. But, that's beneath me. So, someone else do it.
The Bruce Campbell of D&D.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:35PM
#1433
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What does religious belief have to do with keeping these historical figures under level 10?
Certain feats that are attributed to religious figures (including but not limited to; walking on water, parting seas, slaying dragons, reviving the dead, etc) could put the individual capable of them in Paragon or Epic tiers.
Man, this totally calls for a Chuck Norris joke. But, that's beneath me. So, someone else do it.
Spinkick.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:48PM
#1434
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Date Joined:
Jun 13, 2008
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Certain feats that are attributed to religious figures (including but not limited to; walking on water, parting seas, slaying dragons, reviving the dead, etc) could put the individual capable of them in Paragon or Epic tiers.
While I can see real life people not hitting Epic, but I guess I don't see why some powerful real life guy couldn't be level 11-14. While it is Paragon Tier I'm not seeing the godliness that your citing (except of course the reviving the dead but that is a heroic thing everyone can do).
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:56PM
#1435
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Date Joined:
Oct 11, 2007
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Running around using your skills on random people to "level them up" is turning this into a video-game. People with that kind of attitude towards the game will turn every system of table-top RPGs into a video-game. What next? Looking at the cleric and saying "hlplz? rez?"
I remember a GM who had the following rules"
1. You can't learn the first rank in a skill without someone to teach it to you.
2. You can't improve a skill if you didn't use it in that level.
3. You can't improve a skill more than one point per level.
The net effect? A lot of unused skill points, when we went into a dungeon for three levels (and no one was able to improve craft, profession, or social skills.) Also, the person who had been pestered into playing a rogue was stuck being a full rogue, when he really wanted to eventually multiclass into Arcane Trickster, because he would have ended up too many ranks behind on disarm traps.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:58PM
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While I can see real life people not hitting Epic, but I guess I don't see why some powerful real life guy couldn't be level 11-14. While it is Paragon Tier I'm not seeing the godliness that your citing (except of course the reviving the dead but that is a heroic thing everyone can do).
Upon rereading, I think we're coming at this from two different directions. I'm saying that certain religious figures could be Paragon or Epic tier, and you seem to be wondering why normal people couldn't be Paragon tier.
My reasoning for that is simply the capabilities and threats that are attached to the Paragon tier. There are very few things on earth that could constitute a Paragon tier threat, and Genghis Khan, Alexander, etc just don't have enemies to go after if they're paragon tier. By all accounts, they weren't capable of Paragon tier feats, either. Even Martial classes are doing borderline magical things come Paragon tier, and while there's no way of being sure, I've never heard of Jesse Owens turning invisible. 
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:59PM
#1437
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Again, for the record, I am a 16th level broken soldier with a dash of ninja and a splash of sarcastic ***hole. And I'm only human.
Suck it up and drive on.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 1:10PM
#1438
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Man, this totally calls for a Chuck Norris joke. But, that's beneath me. So, someone else do it.
They say that once, a long time ago, Chuck Norris visited the Virgin Islands. They are now the Islands.
Coincidentally, I posted beneath you.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 1:31PM
#1439
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2006
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Man, this totally calls for a Chuck Norris joke. But, that's beneath me. So, someone else do it.
Yeah ok. Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because he is afraid of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris.
If anything I say is wrong, clueless or spelt incorrectly, it is because, I am, in general, wrong, clueless and... Well, I'm usually spelt correctly.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 1:36PM
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I remember a GM who had the following rules"
1. You can't learn the first rank in a skill without someone to teach it to you.
2. You can't improve a skill if you didn't use it in that level.
3. You can't improve a skill more than one point per level.
The net effect? A lot of unused skill points
And the lingering question of how the person with the highest rank in a skill in any given game world got there if there was no one of higher rank to teach him.
It's just the same old ill thought out pseudo-logical BS that some DMs trot out in the name of "realism" that is far more unrealistic than whatever pet-peeve they at trying to fix.
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