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Oct 24, 2011 -- 3:07PM, Mand12 wrote:

No.


The Same Type of Ongoing Damage: If effects deal ongoing damage of  the same type, or if the damage has no type, only the higher number  applies. Example: You’re taking ongoing 5 damage (no type) when a power  causes you to take ongoing 10 damage. You’re now taking ongoing 10  damage, not 15.

PHB 278.

Emphasis mine, again.

It does not tell you to not take some of the instantaneous damage, it tells you what your new condition is.  It does not say "take the damage" it says "taking the damage."

Yes, identical effects tells you that you don't take more than one ongoing 5 poison, at minimum.  You just have one effect of ongoing 5 poison.  However, the ongoing damage rules also tell you that ongoing 5 poison and ongoing 10 poison means that you have ongoing 10 poison, and not ongoing 5 poison.  The second sentence in identical effects does not apply because you're no longer dealing with two effects.

Oct 24, 2011 -- 5:54PM, LordOfWeasels wrote:

Oct 24, 2011 -- 5:23PM, RisingZan wrote:

Along the lines of identical effects only requiring one save, what happens in the following scenario:

PC is hit by two attacks with the same effect, such as Immobilized (Save Ends), the attacks have different keywords and the character gets a bonus on saves against one of those keywords, do we assume that the PC will always get to apply the saving throw bonus as that is the most beneficial, or never gets to apply the bonus, or does it matter what order the effects were applied in?

Example:
 Dwarf is hit by an attack with the Cold keyword that has the effect Immobilized (save ends) and also an attack witht he Poison keyword that has the effect Immobilized (save ends). 
  The PC only has to make one total save against being immobilized because the effects are identical, but does the character get to apply the +5 racial bonus to the saving throw?

Nifty!

Immediate question:  Which two effects *are* identical but with different keywords, in that respect?

But:  Assuming both are?  You ignore all but one of the effects, with nothing saying which one you keep - which implies that the player of the character in question chooses which.

Finding two identical effects is a bit tricky, I was mostly thinking hypothetically so I wouldn't have to dig through thousands of creature entries.  Also a lot of poison attacks either also do ongoing damage, or have an additional effect on a failed save, and searching for Poison in the compendium is a wash since it also gives you all creatures immune to poison (undead) which can't be filtered out easily as they also all have the Natural keyword.
     It might almost be easier to find a creature with a bonus to saves of a certain type, and two PC powers with  identical effects, since the keywords on those could be changed via weapon or implement properties.

   Searching for powers that would be identical other than keyword, I came upon the following question: If two effects are currently identical, but one of them changes on a failed save, do you make a single save and assume failure means take the additional effect, or do you treat them as two separate effects with two saves, even though the current effect is identical for both?

   Example (please ignore the effect this combination of creatures is weird, just look at the effects):
A character is hit by the Freezing Screech from a Frost Hawk and the Bite of a Young Phase Spider.
  The Freezing Screech as the Cold keyword, and the effect Slowed (Save Ends)
  The Bite of the Young Phase Spider has the Poison keyword and the effect Slowed (Save Ends) First Failed Saving Throw: The target is stunned instead of slowed (save ends)


 As for my original question of two effects that are identical other than keyword and racial save bonuses, here's the first combination I found without any other complications:
 
  Eladrin PC - +5 to save against Charm Effects
  Frost Hawk's Freezing Screech (see above) - Slowed (save ends) - Cold
  Spring Nymph's Song of the Spring - Slowed (save ends) - Charm, Psychic

  If under both effects, would the PC simply make a single save at +5 to end both slowed effects, or would it have to be a single save without the +5 because the PC doesn't get a bonus against the cold effect?
 

Oct 25, 2011 -- 9:00AM, Bhanqwa wrote:

I have a question about the Monk lvl 7 Encounter power "Strike the Avalanche".

The first part of the attack lets you slide the primary target a number of squares equal to your Wisdom Modifier.
For the purpose of this question I'm assuming a Wisdom Modifier of 0.
The second part says -> Make a secondary attack that is a close burst 1 centered on the primary target. Secondary Target: Each creature in the burst other than the primary target.

You're a creature as much as anyone, does this mean you're now including yourself in the attack?

no, a close burst you create never affects you unless the power states so explicitly.