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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 3:36PM
#13801
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Regarding visibility and line of sight:
If there is a thick fog in a square (that is heavily obscured) between me and another creature, is line of sight affected in any way? What about more than one square of light or heavily obscured area?
If your lines of sight pass through any obscured squares, then apply the strongest of the concealment levels that the line of sight passes through to determine if the creature has concealment.
For example, if all lines between you and the target pass through thick fog, then you both have total concealment against each other unless either:
A) you're adjacent, in which case its partial concealment, or
B) you have a special sense to see through obscured squares within the range of the target, such as blindsight or truesight.
If the line of sight passes through squares of light fog, heavy rain or anything else that is lightly obscured, then it doesn't matter how many squares it is, its still just lightly obscured and only partial concealment*, as long as none of the lines pass though heavily obscured or totally obscured squares.
* this may be subject to DM discretion if there's some combination. For example, in a particular scenario where there is heavy rain, light fog and you're in foliage on at night, the DM might rule that everything beyond X number of squares is totally concealed; but that's a special condition to the encounter as those features are normally only lightly obscured.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 5:52PM
#13802
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Regarding visibility and line of sight:
If there is a thick fog in a square (that is heavily obscured) between me and another creature, is line of sight affected in any way? What about more than one square of light or heavily obscured area?
If your lines of sight pass through any obscured squares, then apply the strongest of the concealment levels that the line of sight passes through to determine if the creature has concealment.
What's the rules source for this? I can't find it.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 6:12PM
#13803
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Because it doesn't exist. RAW you have to be in the obscured square. On the other side of it? Not obscured. RisingZan is making a common mistake: assuming the rules in any way reflect reality.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 7:32PM
#13804
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Its under Obscured Squares section and the Concealment section of the rules list in the compendium. There's one reality that can dictate in a fantasy world but you have to be overly emerged in einsteinian relativity theories just to model a scale and ranged. LOL and I'm serious about this too, so again LOL!! My question:I done this: Shuzzy's Opportunity Action
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Ruin triggered an Opportunity Action from Shuzzy (Bugbear Strangler)
Immediate Interrupt: Shuzzy's Body Shield power.
Trigger: Shuzzy was targeted by the Dark Majestic melee attack while grabbing Szeth.
Effect: Szeth becomes the target taking 20 psychic damage but Shuzzy submitted to the forced movement.
END OF ACTION
using this:
Body Shield (immediate interrupt, when targeted by a melee or a ranged attack while grabbing a target; recharge 
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The darguun strangler makes the creature it is grabbing the triggering attack’s target. The darguun strangler can’t use this power against an attack made by a creature it is grabbing.
which is a revision of this:
Body Shield Recharge
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Trigger: An enemy makes a melee or ranged attack against the bugbear’s AC or Reflex while the bugbear is grabbing a creature.
Effect (Immediate Interrupt): The grabbed creature becomes the target instead. The bugbear can’t use this power to redirect attacks made by a creature it is grabbing.
The Darguun Strangler was constructed using the guidelines from DMG and is from a hybrid class model
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Darguun Stranglers are Hybrid Weaponmasters/Scouts (Rangers) with the Essential's Scout Class feature; Attack Finesse and also the limited published fighter class power; Line in Sand, plus a subtle stance effect triggering a little more damage per round with a use of a minor action in return for the Body Shield having a more difficult recharging set.
The Darguun Stranglers in fantasy world reality are extremely quick dirty fighters.
Can I do this?
Or does the player who is determined to break up the grab before the bugbear start doing some serious damage to the grabbee during that bugbear next turn has intervention rights with the triggering attack's effect?? (Which is the main question here.)
I'm under the assumption that the bugbear strangler and the Darguun Strangler has full power on where the distribution of damages and effects are to be contributed when activating the Body Shield power among the grabbed enemy and self. Is this assumption correct?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 8:36PM
#13805
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Date Joined:
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Because it doesn't exist. RAW you have to be in the obscured square. On the other side of it? Not obscured. RisingZan is making a common mistake: assuming the rules in any way reflect reality.
What about the rules on RC 106/107? Line of Sight: "If the user can see a target but at least one line passes through an obstruction, the target has cover or concealment"? Does fog not count as an obstruction in this case? 
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 8:40PM
#13806
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Date Joined:
Jan 17, 2010
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If you are changing the target of an attack, all effects of the attack are applied to the new target, since the old target is not actually being hit by the power any longer. Szeth would take the damage for being hit, and would then be subjected to the forced movement.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 11:43PM
#13807
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Date Joined:
Jan 12, 2011
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Can the Flail Expertise prone trigger off the slide from Lashing Flail with a MBA ? (I don't think so, but want to make sure)
Flail Expertise and Lashing Flail with Eldritch Strike: is this 2 different instances of slide 1, so prone + slide 1 ? If so, what can increase the slide from Lashing Flail ?
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3 months ago ::
Mar 15, 2013 - 11:57PM
#13808
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Because it doesn't exist. RAW you have to be in the obscured square. On the other side of it? Not obscured. RisingZan is making a common mistake: assuming the rules in any way reflect reality.
What about the rules on RC 106/107? Line of Sight: "If the user can see a target but at least one line passes through an obstruction, the target has cover or concealment"? Does fog not count as an obstruction in this case?
Obstructions are physical objects (both in the standard English definition and the 4e one).
This has a logical reason, it makes the Concealment rules much easier to adjucate.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 16, 2013 - 3:17AM
#13809
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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Can the Flail Expertise prone trigger off the slide from Lashing Flail with a MBA ? (I don't think so, but want to make sure)
Flail Expertise and Lashing Flail with Eldritch Strike: is this 2 different instances of slide 1, so prone + slide 1 ? If so, what can increase the slide from Lashing Flail ?
Yes, it can.
It's 2 slide 1s.
Staggering Weapon.
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3 months ago ::
Mar 16, 2013 - 9:30AM
#13810
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Date Joined:
Aug 20, 2003
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Because it doesn't exist. RAW you have to be in the obscured square. On the other side of it? Not obscured. RisingZan is making a common mistake: assuming the rules in any way reflect reality.
What about the rules on RC 106/107? Line of Sight: "If the user can see a target but at least one line passes through an obstruction, the target has cover or concealment"? Does fog not count as an obstruction in this case?
Obstructions are physical objects (both in the standard English definition and the 4e one).
This has a logical reason, it makes the Concealment rules much easier to adjucate.
Rules compendium, take your pick of pages 99, 106 or 313 or Line of Sight. The following is verbatim from RC 106-107
"The user can see the target if at least one line doesn't pass through or touch an object or an effect - such as a stone wall, a thick curtain or a cloud of fog that blocks the user's vision
Even if the power's user can see a target, objects and effects can still partially block its view. If the user can see a target but at least one line passes through an obstruction, the target has cover (page 219) or concealment (page 220)."
Its pretty clear to me from that text that if any line passes through a lightly or heavily obscured square, the target gets concealment. Especially since solid objects can't give concealment, only cover, and they count fog as an "effect that blocks the user's vision". Obstruction in the context of the 2nd paragraph is in reference to either "objects" or "effects" from the previous sentence.
To suggest that obstruction in the 2nd sentence refers only to solid objects ignoring the surrounding context is incorrect.
(Edit - fixed typo and added more extrapolation)
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