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4 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 7:51PM
#13491
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It is a triggered effect in this case.
How is the free action "triggered"? The II has a trigger, and then it provides a free action to the targeted ally, but that doesn't look like a "trigger" to me...
The II says "X can do Y as a free action".
That a Free Action, triggered by the II.
As a triggered free action, it does not HAVE to act as an interrupt to function at all, therefore it acts as a reaction to the trigger (the II) and an interrupt to all further actions (for example, the action the II interrupted.)
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4 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 11:09PM
#13492
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It is a triggered effect in this case.
How is the free action "triggered"? The II has a trigger, and then it provides a free action to the targeted ally, but that doesn't look like a "trigger" to me...
A trigger in 4e has a definition. That definition is when something occurs, it gives you the choice of whether or not to do something. Powers have Trigger: lines, but that is not the only kind of trigger in 4e. Powerful Warning gives your ally the option of whether or not to MBA when you use Powerful Warning, that meets the definition outlined in the Trigger section of the rules, and the timing (as a free action) is covered under the rules for other triggered effects, which this is. It is a reaction to an interrupt, which means it resolves immediately after the interrupt.
There really isn't any debate about it, at least if you have any knowledge of the the trigger and timing rules beyond an ability to copy/paste them without understanding them.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2013 - 10:58AM
#13493
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Date Joined:
Jun 17, 2010
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A reaction to an interrupt resolves after the interrupt, but before the interrupt's trigger.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2013 - 2:18PM
#13494
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Date Joined:
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A trigger in 4e has a definition. That definition is when something occurs, it gives you the choice of whether or not to do something. Powers have Trigger: lines, but that is not the only kind of trigger in 4e. Powerful Warning gives your ally the option of whether or not to MBA when you use Powerful Warning, that meets the definition outlined in the Trigger section of the rules, and the timing (as a free action) is covered under the rules for other triggered effects, which this is. It is a reaction to an interrupt, which means it resolves immediately after the interrupt.
I think you're stretching the rules here, but as we are in agreement for how the power works, it's not relevant enough to argue with you about. Particularly, arguing with you, since y'know, you are always right and all.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2013 - 3:42PM
#13495
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I think you're stretching the rules here, but as we are in agreement for how the power works, it's not relevant enough to argue with you about. Particularly, arguing with you, since y'know, you are always right and all.
I'm stretching the rules by reading them and doing exactly what they say? Riiiiight. Trigger has a definition in 4e. That definition is not solely restricted to the Trigger: line of powers. Which would be why, hey, that definition is present in a section of the rules on how to deal with triggered actions, and not in the power rules.
So, yes, I am right, and you suck at being snide.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2013 - 8:33PM
#13496
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You two do realize you're both arguing for exactly the same final sequency of events, right?
1) Resolve Powerful Warning as an interrupt
2) Resolve the granted free action MBA as a reaction to Powerful Warning
3) Resolve the attack which Powerul Warning interrupted.
Alcestis is correct that the MBA is a reaction, but I think crimson_vampr is misreading that Alcestis is saying its a reaction to the attack which triggered Powerful Warning, but its not, its a reaction to Powerful Warning, so it also interrupts the triggering attack.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 04, 2013 - 5:49PM
#13497
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so im making a revenant with warforged as its past life because why not. he is an artificer going with the self forged PP because he wants to return to his warforged body as much as possible. i automatically get the battlefist so does this count as an embeded/attatched weapon or just a normal weapon. also an armbow crossbow says it takes up only one hand slot due to the arm bow property so could i use the armbow in one hand slot, have the battlefist as my other hand slot, but if i wanted to add extra to that could i have an embeded weapon in my battlefist arm? since it has to be a light thrown or offhand weapon to be embeded and it can be drawn or retracted as a minor action, could i switch between battlefist and embeded weapon (thinking of using a whip since its technically one handed offhand weapon and it sounds fun) at a whim as long as i spend the minor action?
edit: on a related note, could a warforged with the spiked chain training feat have the chain embeded?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 10:45AM
#13498
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Unfortunatly, you cannot take the Self-Forged Paragon Path as a Revenant (Warforged) because you don't meet the Prerequisit due to Past Life. HoS 116 Past life: Select a race other than revenant. You are also considered a member of that race for the purpose of meeting prerequisites, such as feat or paragon path prerequisites.
EPG 65 Prerequisite: Any race except warforged, must be an artificer
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 12:22PM
#13499
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character builder let me do it, maybe its a bug. either way, could the whole embeded weapon set up work?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 12:24PM
#13500
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Jun 17, 2010
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That's a particularly disheartening RAW, Plague. I'd never actually prevent anyone from doing this, particularly because Revenant Warforged don't have the physical structure of a Warforged. They're not constructs.
Character Builder lets you do a lot of things you shouldn't be able to.
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