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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 11:34PM #11421
It_is_not_Martin
Date Joined: Dec 18, 2010
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Rapid shot




take careful aim at a group of enemies before unleashing a succession of arrows.



At-Will • Martial



Standard Action Personal



Effect: You make a ranged basic attack with a weapon against each creature in or adjacent



to a square within the attack's range. You take a -2 penalty to the attack rolls.


Ranger at will without a level which can be accessed via Archery mastery feat - (to swap ranger at will for essentials ranger at will) - nice combo


Now a magic missle is a ranged basic attacked - with implement keyword. Now i read on this forum that a hybrid could use magic missile with rapid shot (ranger wiz hybrid  with archery mastery feat good so far) - - -its the with a weapon part of rapid shot - that i will have to convince my DM with.

What is the ruling  can magic missle be used with rapid shot although it is delivered without a weapon?  


Edit: Weaponlement - now why didnt i think of that - nice  


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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 12:16AM #11422
Undrhil
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Yes.  As long as you are using a weapon that you can use as an implement and are casting magic missile through that weapon, then it works.

In order for it to not work, Rapid Shot would have to say something like "Make a weapon attack that is a ranged basic attack ..."  There is a difference between a "weapon attack" and "and attack made with a weapon."

Blame weapliments.  It's all their fault.  :P

But I have a Ranger|Wizard in LFR who is now level 12.  This is her thing.     
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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 9:55AM #11423
Alcestis
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May 23, 2012 -- 10:41PM, wrswldo wrote:

Does a creature threaten its own square, or only the squares adjacent to it?


RAW only squares adjacent.

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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 10:29AM #11424
Undrhil
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You are adjacent to your own square.  If a creature enters or leaves your square without shifting, that does provoke OAs ...
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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 11:04AM #11425
Alcestis
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May 24, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Undrhil wrote:

You are adjacent to your own square. If a creature enters or leaves your square without shifting, that does provoke OAs ...


That is said nowhere in the rules and has been suggested for errata. First came up because of Pixies, so it is an oversight that hasn't mattered for 4+ years.

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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 11:52AM #11426
Zoltan83
Date Joined: Nov 22, 2008
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I need two clarifications concerning Dominated effect :

1) It is the dominator who choosed the action done by the dominated. What if the dominator dies and that the domination power is normally continuing till ST is successful ?  Does it stop at the death of the dominator or still ongoing? And if it is ongoing, does the GM still can choose what does the dominated or the dominated just "lost" his round as dominator is not there anymore to give him order?

2) If a Warmaster is dominated, is it possible for to make him a "good" use "Direct strike" ? If the dominated warmaster is asking another player to act via Direct Strike (to hit an ally), does the character have to do it? I would say no as the other player is not dominated.
Then could the warmaster can use his Direct strike for an ennemy. So a monster could use his basic attack ?

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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 11:53AM #11427
Mand12
Date Joined: Jun 17, 2010
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May 24, 2012 -- 11:04AM, Alcestis wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 10:29AM, Undrhil wrote:

You are adjacent to your own square. If a creature enters or leaves your square without shifting, that does provoke OAs ...


That is said nowhere in the rules and has been suggested for errata. First came up because of Pixies, so it is an oversight that hasn't mattered for 4+ years.



It's also said nowhere in the rules that you're adjacent to any squares, ever.

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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:09PM #11428
LordOfWeasels
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May 24, 2012 -- 11:52AM, Zoltan83 wrote:

I need two clarifications concerning Dominated effect :

1) It is the dominator who choosed the action done by the dominated. What if the dominator dies and that the domination power is normally continuing till ST is successful ?  Does it stop at the death of the dominator or still ongoing? And if it is ongoing, does the GM still can choose what does the dominated or the dominated just "lost" his round as dominator is not there anymore to give him order?

2) If a Warmaster is dominated, is it possible for to make him a "good" use "Direct strike" ? If the dominated warmaster is asking another player to act via Direct Strike (to hit an ally), does the character have to do it? I would say no as the other player is not dominated.
Then could the warmaster can use his Direct strike for an ennemy. So a monster could use his basic attack ?




1)  the PLAYER of the Dominating creature chooses the action.  So yes, even if the dominating creature is dead and on another plane, you still act the way it would want you do.

2)  Direct The Strike can't be used on an unwilling target - "ally" means "willing ally".  And the granted attack MUST target an enemy.  Since being Dominated doesn't change who your allies and your enemies are, even while Dominated that means Direct The Strike only works on a friend who *wants* to make an attack, and the attack can only target people who were your enemies before you were Dominated.

So no - there is NO useful way to force a Dominated Warlord to use Direct The Strike to your advantage. 

Confused about Stealth?  Think "invisibility" means "take the mini off the board to make people guess?"  You need to check out The Rules Of Hidden Club.

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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:23PM #11429
CPNuke
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2007
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May 24, 2012 -- 11:52AM, Zoltan83 wrote:

I need two clarifications concerning Dominated effect :

1) It is the dominator who choosed the action done by the dominated. What if the dominator dies and that the domination power is normally continuing till ST is successful ?  Does it stop at the death of the dominator or still ongoing? And if it is ongoing, does the GM still can choose what does the dominated or the dominated just "lost" his round as dominator is not there anymore to give him order?




Conditions last as long as the effect states it does.

A dominated (save ends) creature is dominated until that creatures suceeds with a saving throw. If the creature dominating another creature dies before the dominated creature's next turn, the dominated creature would basically lose a turn. A case could be made for still being controlled via prioor control to continue with a course of action .. that is, still choose what the dominated creature would do.

That said, a DM can rule the dominated condition wears off at the death of the dominating creature, if they choose. Not RAW, however.

May 24, 2012 -- 11:52AM, Zoltan83 wrote:


2) If a Warmaster is dominated, is it possible for to make him a "good" use "Direct strike" ? If the dominated warmaster is asking another player to act via Direct Strike (to hit an ally), does the character have to do it? I would say no as the other player is not dominated.
Then could the warmaster can use his Direct strike for an ennemy. So a monster could use his basic attack ?




If a dominated creature with Direct the Strike was compelled to use it by the dominating creatuyre, the power still functions as written.

However, a dominated creature's allies are still its allies, and its enemies are still its enemies. The warlord's ally would still only be able to attack an enemy of the warlord ... which would usually be the dominator's ally. (This could be useful in corner cases where the death of an allied creature somehow benefits the dominator.)

Further caveat, per RC page 106, When a power defines a terget as an ally, the ally is freeto ignore the power's effects. So, the target of a domination compelled Direct the Striek could ignore it.







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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 8:10PM #11430
Destroid
Date Joined: Aug 12, 2009
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With Agile Opportunist + Improved Cunning, is it a valid move for an ally to shift in a movement that moves out of then into the enemies space?

Where c is apply shifted using cunning, and o is the enemy that's victim of agile opportunist. 

| c |
| | o
| | | 

| | |
c | o
| | |

 | | |
 | | o
 | c |

This would seem to be a bit broken to me as you'd get an MBA every time those allies are missed.  Normally getting an MBA as a reaction is a big deal and liited to once an encounter. Granted, it does take A) Having a Cunning Bard, B) Each ally taking one paragon feat, C) The Bard taking a paragon feat. 

What is a valid movement for shifting in this case, and when should it be triggered? It might be reasonable against enemies that are attacking with reach for example.
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