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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 12:48PM
#31
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2004
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I would suggest that the safest statement is:
You may not start an extended rest until at least 12 hours after your last one has ended.
How is that different than RAW:
"After you finish an extended rest, you have to wait 12 hours before you can begin another one."
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:15PM
#32
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May 18, 2007
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When I first started playing 4e, I made a point to tell my players "Don't assume that a rule exists just because it did in 3e." Yet, I fell into that exact trap on a rule.
I did NOT realize that standing up from prone no longer provokes attacks of opportunity. Wow! Many a foe in my games was felled by the deadliest of conditions - prone. It was often favorable in my larger-group games to take the -4 penalty and fight prone than to take the 8+ attacks from standing up. But now, no more! Only moving and ranged attacks. Simple. I like it!
Also - drink a potion as a MINOR? Totally sweet.
- Johnny
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:15PM
#33
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Mar 16, 2007
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"Didn't realize it rule" #1 -
The number of times that you can use a daily power granted by a magic item is limited by level.
I didn't realize this. On page 226 of the PHB it points out that from level 1-10 you can only use 1 magic item daily power pre day. Regardless of the item. If you are level 1-10 and use a daily power from a magic item, you cannot use any daily power from any other (Or the same) magic item until after an extended rest. From level 11-20 this increases to two such uses and from 21-30 this becomes 3 such uses. I guess you'd better really think about it when it comes to using a magic item's daily use.
Also please remember:
A daily power from an item can only be used once (then you need an extended rest to 'recharge' the item).
Even if a character is paragon or epic tier, or makes one (or more) milestones, an item with a single daily power can only have that daily power used once (between extended rests).
What being paragon or epic tier or making a milestone allows is the use of daily powers from more than one item.
Deth Braedon
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:21PM
#34
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Aug 23, 2008
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#11: There is no more minimum of 1 damage from an attack. You can hit and deal 0 damage.
How would this happen? Are you referring to hitting someone with a resist damage level? If I don't do enough damage to overcome the resistance, he doesn't take any damage. Other than that, how would I deal 0 damage? Weakened? I don't have my PHB here and I don't remember the effect of weakened.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:31PM
#35
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Aug 23, 2007
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How would this happen? Are you referring to hitting someone with a resist damage level? If I don't do enough damage to overcome the resistance, he doesn't take any damage. Other than that, how would I deal 0 damage? Weakened? I don't have my PHB here and I don't remember the effect of weakened.
1/2 damage. And yes, 1/2 of 1 is 0. So that weakened fighter who used careful attack (don't ask why) and rolled a 1 did 0 damage.
Yet another reason careful attack isn't worth it.../sigh
TBP
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:41PM
#36
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May 27, 2008
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#14: The limits on immediate actions and the difference between immediate and opportunity actions.
Kobold Dragonshields and Combat Challenge were incredibly deadly until I realized they could only do their trick once per round (and that you didn't add Wis to the MBA), and not every turn.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:48PM
#37
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May 18, 2007
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Come to think of it, another rule I didn't realize was that you get to max out sneak attack damage on a crit. I had no idea.
- Johnny
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 1:58PM
#38
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Date Joined:
Jan 15, 2004
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I did NOT realize that standing up from prone no longer provokes attacks of opportunity.
Yeah, prone now costs a move action and grants Combat Advantage, not free attacks.
Also - drink a potion as a MINOR? Totally sweet.
Ayup. Potions in combat are now viable from an action economy perspective (as they should be).
For my part, it took me a little while to sort out the cover rules. Superior cover is actually really easy to get in a forest: if you're at least one square in, you have superior cover.
It also took me a while to realise the difference between "concealment" and "obscurement". Obscurement is a terrain property, which maps to different levels of concealment.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 2:05PM
#39
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Jun 15, 2004
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How would this happen?
Low stat (like 8 str)?
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 2:07PM
#40
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Oct 24, 2001
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How is that different than RAW:
"After you finish an extended rest, you have to wait 12 hours before you can begin another one."
The words I used are not "quoting RAW". In paraphrasing with only little deviation from the RAW, I avoid the potential for misinterpretation. When you used different words than RAW, you presented an interpretation that can be misconstrued as meaning "you have to wait 18 hours to take another extended rest."
Interpreting RAW rather than quoting RAW is where most of us and up causing disagreements.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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