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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 8:40AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 24, 2008
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Going back to the effects that happen regardless of hitting or not...
I am DMing this all wrong then...
That paragraph of text there doesn't really clarify it for me...
Any "Effect:" line in a power will happen whether or not you hit. Or, to quote page 59 in the PH: "Many powers produce effects that take place regardless of whether your attack roll succeeds, and other powers have effects that occur without an attack roll being required."
"Many powers..." is too generic for me... Where is the rule that says that EVERY effect happens on a miss? I can't find it... This should be on a power by power basis I think, not a blanket "Every Effect", where is the specific rule that says that?
This just threw me for a loop...
I would think that the effect itself should say whether or not it happens on a miss on the Attack Roll... some do.
"Miss:xxxx"
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 8:50AM
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You're trying to hard to interpret it. "Many powers" refers to those powers that have an "Effect:" line. "Effect:" lines always happen, whether or not you hit or miss. "Miss:" lines are different because they only happen on a miss.
Basically:
Hit: happens on a hit
Miss: happens on a miss
Effect: happens on a hit or miss
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 8:50AM
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Going back to the effects that happen regardless of hitting or not...
I am DMing this all wrong then...
That paragraph of text there doesn't really clarify it for me...
Any "Effect:" line in a power will happen whether or not you hit. Or, to quote page 59 in the PH: "Many powers produce effects that take place regardless of whether your attack roll succeeds, and other powers have effects that occur without an attack roll being required."
"Many powers..." is too generic for me... Where is the rule that says that EVERY effect happens on a miss? I can't find it... This should be on a power by power basis I think, not a blanket "Every Effect", where is the specific rule that says that?
This just threw me for a loop...
I would think that the effect itself should say whether or not it happens on a miss on the Attack Roll... some do.
"Miss:xxxx"
You're thinking too hard. It says "many powers produce effects that take place regardless of whether you hit or miss," they say "many powers," because the fact is that many powers do NOT have this type of effect, in fact MOST don't. An "Effect" is still an "Effect" no matter what power it's attached to, so you should always treat them the same, and they always take effect when a player uses a power with one. It's simply any and all text under that's affect the bolded word "Effect" in the powers damage line.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 8:57AM
#24
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Date Joined:
Dec 31, 2007
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That paragraph of text there doesn't really clarify it for me...
Any "Effect:" line in a power will happen whether or not you hit. Or, to quote page 59 in the PH: "Many powers produce effects that take place regardless of whether your attack roll succeeds, and other powers have effects that occur without an attack roll being required."
"Many powers..." is too generic for me... Where is the rule that says that EVERY effect happens on a miss? I can't find it... This should be on a power by power basis I think, not a blanket "Every Effect", where is the specific rule that says that?
It's under the section "Effects" in the "How to Read a Power" part of the book. Contextually, the only thing it should be referring to is the "Effect:" line of a power.
I would think that the effect itself should say whether or not it happens on a miss on the Attack Roll... some do.
"Miss:xxxx"
No, that's not an "Effect:" line. That's a "Miss:" line. "Miss:" only happens on a miss, "Hit:" only happens on a hit, and "Effect:" takes place regardless of whether you hit or miss.
EDIT: An example. Check out the Redirected Death power on page 127. It has a "Hit:" line, a "Miss:" line, and an "Effect:" line. Whether you hit and redirect the attack, or miss and just deal damage, you still get to shift one square after resolving the attack.
#11: There is no more minimum of 1 damage from an attack. You can hit and deal 0 damage.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 8:57AM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2007
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"Didn't realize it rule" #2 -
The monster stat block reads that on a successful attack, the target is marked. Where the heck does it spell out how a monster "mark" works?
A fighter has Combat Challenge, a paladin has Divine Challenge, both of which indicate marking a target, but how does a generic monster mark work? This bugged me for about a week, so I faked it, because I could not for the life of me find what a generic mark was. Well, I'm pretty sure I figured it out, even though it seemed kind of backwards at first. While I can't find anywhere where it states the result of what a generic mark does, I did find what to expect if you are under the effect of a generic mark. In the end, I thought it was kind of funny. "It doesn't say what happens when a monster marks you, but the effect of a mark is listed.". Head to page 277 of the PHB to see the result of being marked. A -2 penalty to attack rolls for any attack that doesn't target the creature that marked you. Simple enough. In the end, I don't see what was so difficult about it to begin with.
Under the "Conditions" section of the PHB Pg. 227:
MARKED
✦ You take a –2 penalty to attack rolls for any attack
that doesn’t target the creature that marked you.
Yup we missed that too. Heh.
I also missed the magical item daily use too, until I read through the entire thing. The other members in my party were not very happy with me the next game session...
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 8:58AM
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May 19, 2004
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Rule #12. When you subject to a healing effect that requires you to spend a healing surge and you have none left, you are restored to 1 hit point, if you were dying. --> pg. 295, right column, in the "Healing a Dying Character" box
I always thought that a dying character that was out of healing surges required a heal skill check until I noticed this.
-SYB
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 9:02AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 23, 2007
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Rule #12. When you subject to a healing effect that requires you to spend a healing surge and you have none left, you are restored to 1 hit point, if you were dying. --> pg. 295, right column, in the "Healing a Dying Character" box
I always thought that a dying character that was out of healing surges required a heal skill check until I noticed this.
-SYB
But if there are not healing powers available, you must resort to a heal check. Skills are there for when you don't have the right powers for the job. Not as easily done as with a power, but still able to "fill in the gap," so to speak.
TBP
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 11:25AM
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Aug 23, 2007
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#12: This is not D&D 3.75.
The vast majority of people who have not understood why a rules is, or how it works, is because they come at it with a "[This] is how it was in 3.5, so why should it have changed?" New edition = new rules.
TBP
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 12:16PM
#29
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2004
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It's acctually once every 12 hours, isn't it ?
Per PHB p.263:
"An extended rest is at least 6 hours long."
"After you finish an extended rest, you have to wait 12 hours before you can begin another one."
This basically means max once every 18 hrs.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 29, 2008 - 12:35PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2001
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This basically means max once every 18 hrs.
This statement is correct, but may be misleading, depending on your time frame of reference. This statement makes assumptions regarding when you start counting. I can take two extended rests in 12 hours and two minutes. I finished one rest a minute ago, and I can start another one in 12 hours. That's two in 12 hours.
I would suggest that the safest statement is:
You may not start an extended rest until at least 12 hours after your last one has ended.
From this, all of these seemingly contradictory statements are true:
- You may take no more than one every 18 hours.
- You may take up to two in a single day.
- You may take second one after only 12 hours.
Where you stand depends on where you sit. :D
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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