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4 years ago ::
May 12, 2009 - 10:58PM
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If a PC has been sustaining a power, but goes unconscious, does the effect end immediately, or only at the end of his turn when he can no longer sustain it? Similarly, if he is healed back up before his turn, can he continue to sustain it like normal?
How about an encounter long effect on an ally? Does it go away when the caster drops to negative, the target drops to negative, both, or neither?
The same for an effect on an enemy. It only goes away when the target dies right?
I'd really appreciate the specific rules that apply to this stuff. Thanks!
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4 years ago ::
May 12, 2009 - 11:06PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 17, 2007
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Relevant passage to assist with any discussion -
PHB page 269 -
"Check Actions Spent: Some powers and effects
can be sustained for multiple turns (see “Durations,”
page 278). Check that you spent the action required
to sustain a power or an effect during your turn.
If you didn’t spend the action, the power or effect
ends now."
So I would think the action is sustained until the characters turn Ends, at which point an accounting is made and the Effect ends because no upkeep was paid.
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4 years ago ::
May 12, 2009 - 11:33PM
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Feb 26, 2007
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If a PC has been sustaining a power, but goes unconscious, does the effect end immediately, or only at the end of his turn when he can no longer sustain it?
As Jimmy said, it ceases on the character's normal turn (specifically, in the end-of-turn phase) if he fails to sustain it. If the character regains consciousness before then, he can spend the required action to sustain the power as normal. Simply being unconscious for a moment does not terminate a power.
How about an encounter long effect on an ally? Does it go away when the caster drops to negative, the target drops to negative, both, or neither?
Powers continue while you're unconscious and/or dying, but most powers cease at once if you actually die. The "death ends" rules are scattered all around PH 59 and PH2 220-222.
Amusingly, this even applies to stances and rages. Say that a fighter is using Boundless Endurance (fighter L2) to gain regen 2. If the fighter gets knocked unconscious, the regen itself ceases per PH 293 (regen never works when you're at/below 0 HP) but the fighter is still in the Boundless Endurance stance despite being unconscious.  If the fighter got healed, the regen would immediately re-start!
- Alane -
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 12:14AM
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RAW that's how it works. Note, that it works that way for Marks as well. So, if you have an opponent marked and you become unconscious, to avoid the -2 penalty (Or damage from Divine Challenge) they must attack you. Which is a CdG.
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 12:29AM
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it works that way for Marks as well. So, if you have an opponent marked and you become unconscious, to avoid the -2 penalty (Or damage from Divine Challenge) they must attack you. Which is a CdG.
I agree that there's no explicit rule that collapses your marks when you get knocked unconscious, and there really ought to be one. At the same time, the Monsters and Fallen Characters rule on DMG 40 strongly implies that the marks do collapse: [INDENT]"Don't hit people when they're down. When a character falls unconscious, monsters turn their attention to enemies who are still up and fighting. Monsters don't usually intentionally deal damage to fallen foes."[/INDENT]Getting hit (and possibly killed) when you're already down just isn't fun. In my game, I give tanks the choice of collapsing all their marks when they fall. They generally choose to do so.
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 5:37AM
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It's good to know that powers continue all the way up until you actually die. We hadn't been playing it that way.
Thanks for the help.
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 6:12AM
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Jan 24, 2009
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It's good to know that powers continue all the way up until you actually die. We hadn't been playing it that way.
Thanks for the help.
And with this, Consecrated Ground goes from "good" to "unbelievably great"
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 3:07PM
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Yes, Consecrated Ground becomes broken/cheesey in this manner.
Consecrated Ground is one of the few times I feel perfectly fine having monsters with half a brain Coup de Grace players. If said monster sees you get back up after knocking you down, then said monster is going to try to make sure you don't keep getting back up.
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 3:24PM
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most powers cease at once if you actually die. The "death ends" rules are scattered all around PH 59 and PH2 220-222.
PH 59:
"If a zone’s creator is slain, the zone immediately ends."
"If a conjuration’s creator is slain, the conjuration immediately ends."
PH2 220-222:
"If you die, polymorph effects end on you immediately."
I believe Powers other than these technically continue even if you die (unless the power states otherwise).
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4 years ago ::
May 13, 2009 - 9:47PM
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I think it's mostly a moot point once you're dead. That +2 to attack rolls doesn't do you much good when you're 6 feet under.
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