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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 6:26AM
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The "Powers by Class Level" Chart in the DMG that folks have pointed to states absolutely nothing that demands we limit the number of powers prepared by level. Nothing.
It certainly delineates what level powers a normal class will have available - and of course, the wizard will have twice that many. Since it's a chart to help you write a high level character, that makes total sense. But I still see nothing that says you can't prepare multiple spells of your highest level available. That chart simply says that this is the number of spells and of what level most classes will have at each class level.
The chart on page 29 of the PHB simply lists the number of Daily spells known (or prepared in the wizards case), and the Spellbook Class Feature specifically states that you can choose a number of daily and utility according to your level. So at 5th level, that's 2 daily spells. Most classes will only have a 1st and a 5th level daily, but Wizards have multiple available and can prepare them in any combination. That's RAW.
I keep seeing people want to limit the actual spell slots by level, but I see nothing in the book yet that says that's true. If the chart on p20 PHB stated "1 first level daily, 1 fifth level daily" then I'd agree - but it doesn't. it says "2 daily's" for the fifth level entry. Well, as a wizard, I have 4 daily's, so I get to pick two.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 7:35AM
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I have spoken with WotC Customer Service over this very issue (yes, they answer their e-mails - very helpful)
Titanium Dragon's interpretation is correct, and Bouncey Ferret cited the correct reference for discovering spells-per-day. DMG 143.
The issues that arise over replacement and retraining can be answered thus:
Replacement - when you get daily power replacement at levels 15, 19, 25, and 29, you do not replace a single power. You replace a bundle of powers. For instance, a 15th level character would (could) trade all of his 1st level spells for an equal number of 15th level spells. He is not required to trade all 1st level spells, but any 1st level spells he holds on to have to use a higher slot to cast now. A 15th level wizard (or character of any class) can use three daily powers - one of 15th level or lower, one of 9th level or lower, and one of 5th level or lower.
Retraining - Dungeon Renter was in error over his concerns with retraining. Retraining works differently than replacement in that you must swap a power out for one of "equal or lower level." Retraining is not done in bundles. It is done one power at a time.
In theory, power swapping via the multiclass power swap feats would function as Replacement above, though I failed to get this directly verified. Oops.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 9:22AM
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Wow! Thanks for all the help everyone!! I really appreciate, it was most helpful  I have to agree with Entropi, however. The Powers section in the PHB is entirely too ambiguous. Something so central to the game mechanics should not be this difficult to decipher. I do have a follow up question regarding the chart in the DMG on page 143. The chart seems to show that characters at level 2 know 2 Utility Powers. This seems to contradict page 29 of the PHB, which lists only 1 Utility Power for characters of 2nd level. Is this simply an error in the DMG? Or am I reading/understanding it wrong? Thanks again!
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 9:43AM
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Wow! Thanks for all the help everyone!!
I really appreciate, it was most helpful
I have to agree with Entropi, however. The Powers section in the PHB is entirely too ambiguous. Something so central to the game mechanics should not be this difficult to decipher.
I do have a follow up question regarding the chart in the DMG on page 143. The chart seems to show that characters at level 2 know 2 Utility Powers. This seems to contradict page 29 of the PHB, which lists only 1 Utility Power for characters of 2nd level.
Is this simply an error in the DMG? Or am I reading/understanding it wrong?
Thanks again!
It's not two utility powers, but one 2nd level utility power. The chart is showiing you how many of each level power you get by providing the level of the power. If the Utility line had "2,2" then you would have two 2nd level utility powers.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 10:32AM
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This is a good debate. The rules in the PHB are definitely way too ambiguous. But one thing that I've noticed everyone agreeing on is that you can't prepare the same spell more than once ever? So, even though you can prepare a Daily at that level or lower, I couldn't use my 9th and 5th level Daily power slots to prepare fireball twice?
That's just crazy talk.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 10:32AM
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Oops! Thanks again, Larry
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 11:11AM
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Here's a question in the faq that might have a little impact on the question at hand.
Can a 5th level wizard memorize two 5th level daily spells instead of a 1st and a 5th level daily spell?
At the end of each long rest, a wizard prepares one 1st-level Daily spell chosen from the list of 1st level daily spells in her spellbook. If she were at least 2nd level, she would also prepare one 2nd-level utility spell chosen from the list of 2nd-level utility spells in her spellbook. At 5th level she would also prepare one 5th-level daily spell from her list of 5th-level daily spells in her spellbook. She would repeat this process for every level that she has access to wizard daily or utility spells. She could not, as a 5th-level wizard, prepare a second 5th-level daily spell in place of a daily spell of a different level.
Looks like even that little bit a versatility is gone for the gimped wizard.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 11:27AM
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Here's a question in the faq that might have a little impact on the question at hand.
Can a 5th level wizard memorize two 5th level daily spells instead of a 1st and a 5th level daily spell?
At the end of each long rest, a wizard prepares one 1st-level Daily spell chosen from the list of 1st level daily spells in her spellbook. If she were at least 2nd level, she would also prepare one 2nd-level utility spell chosen from the list of 2nd-level utility spells in her spellbook. At 5th level she would also prepare one 5th-level daily spell from her list of 5th-level daily spells in her spellbook. She would repeat this process for every level that she has access to wizard daily or utility spells. She could not, as a 5th-level wizard, prepare a second 5th-level daily spell in place of a daily spell of a different level.
Looks like even that little bit a versatility is gone for the gimped wizard.
Ah, OK, that makes sense. But could that 5th level wizard prepare two 1st level daily spells? Or could a 9th level wizard prepare two 5th level daily spells, using her 5th level and 9th level slots?
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 11:35AM
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Damn! Well, I'll concede defeat with the emergence of the FAQ Answer, but I sense a houserule coming in my home games future - or more appropriately, an ignoring of the FAQ. I really don't understand why they went with that approach, as it seems to fly in the face of the simpler resource management.
Sad panda.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 11:38PM
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Ah, OK, that makes sense. But could that 5th level wizard prepare two 1st level daily spells? Or could a 9th level wizard prepare two 5th level daily spells, using her 5th level and 9th level slots?
I would houserule that to "yes", because its a downgrade, which is possible whenever you trade something character-wise in dnd
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