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ComaEtilico wrote:

PS: why not 3 level 9 daily spell? ^^

Because I am apparently still stuck in 3e terminology where a 9th lv wizard can prepare up to 5th lv spells...:embarrass

Actually, one of the things that is making the wizard seem overpowered in this case is that you are neglicting retraining.

Retraining does not let you exceed the original lv limit. This means that I can only swap out my 1st lv daily for another 1st lv daily, but not a 5th lv daily.

Tal'eth wrote:

Is there a limit to the number of Daily Powers a character can use on any given day?

There is no hard-and-fast limit to the number of dailies you can use on any given day. The only limit is the number of dailies you have. Each power that can be used once per day can be used once per day. Sleep, for example, can only be cast once per day because it's a daily spell.

Tal'eth wrote:

Furthermore, would someone be kind enough to direct me to a chart and/or page number that this information is given?

Since there is no set limit, this is not possible.

Tal'eth wrote:

I have reviewed page 29 of the PHB and at first I thought the far right column listed the number of Daily Powers that could be used per day, but the title of that column is "Total number of known powers" or something to that effect. This doesn't necessarily mean to me that it is a daily limit.

The table on page 29 shows you the total powers known by category. At-will, encounter [attack], daily [attack], and utility. I added the [attack] on the end of encounter and daily because that's how they're written in the powers section of each class. Also, utility powers can be either daily or encounter powers, so I want to be sure to be as clear as possible.

Tal'eth wrote:

At first I assumed that a character could use any or all of his/her Daily Powers on any given day. But after reading the Wizard section of the PHB, it seems that I might have been mistaken.

Each daily power can be used once per day--once between each extended rest.

As for the wizard, his spellbook just allows him to be more versatile. In effect, s/he knows twice as many daily [attack] and utility powers than any other class...just like he did in 3.5. Also, like in 3.5, s/he must choose which of the spells they wish to use on any given day. Basically, after each extended rest, the wizard must choose one of each pair of spells to be used that day. Take a look at page 143 of the DMG for a better table to see what level of spells a given level wizard can use. If you don't have the DMG, take a look at the table on the bottom of this excerpt. It's the same table.

At first I assumed that a character could use any Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Thank you!!

I hope I was able to help!

@Dungeonrenter

Retraining won't allow you to replace a level 1 power for a level 5 power. Page 28, PH, states that "you can replace a power with another power of the same type...of the same level or lower..."

TBP

Titanium Dragon wrote:

Nothing but the rules.



These limitations ARE both level based and slot based.

So in the aforementioned example, you can memorize a 1st level spell and a 5th level spell, or both your first level spells, but you CANNOT memorize both your fifth level spells, as that violates the rule for what you can cast per day for your level (a 5th level character cannot cast two 5th level daily powers).

I quoted this post, but there are others which agree with your interpretation of the rules.  So I went back and tried to review the rules from your point of view.

As written, I do not see a ruling which specifies what your can cast per day for your level.  I only see two rules, specifically: The number of daily powers known and the wizard's ability to know more than 1 power in a given level.  The line in the Wizard's section, "After an extended rest, you can prepare a number of daily and utility spells according to what you can cast per day for your level. You can’t prepare the same spell twice." is what is messing everyone up.

Now re-reading the rules I can see how someone can interpret that each level a wizard can cast one spell per level (i.e. 1 first level, 1 fifth level, etc).  And I almost came straight back here to say, yes, this is what the Devs meant even though the rules are vague.

However, as I thought about the rules further, I don't think this is true.  This is due to the ability to swap powers.

Per the PHB: Pg 28, Daily Powers, "At 15th, 19th, 25th, and 29th levels, you can replace any daily attack power you know from your class with a new daily attack power of your new level (or a daily attack power of a lower level, if you choose)"

So a Wizard at level 15 can swap out his 1st level power for a power equal to his level or lower.  At 19th, he can do the same.  Now the Wizard no longer has any 1st level powers.

There are 4 daily level 5 powers.  Theoretically, the wizard can have 4 5th-level daily spells.  Now a DM could rule that the Wizard's 1st level powers are now bound up into his 5th level powers, so he would get two choices from there.  But then that would break the same rules as the other method, which you are saying doesn't work for that very reason.

The logic (and where I almost agreed) is that every other class can use their daily powers once each day and they have 1st, 5th, etc.  But then those classes also have the ability to retrain.  Which means another class could have 2 fifth level daily powers and could use them both.  Therefore, the Wizard must have the same ability.

If I were to yank out a rule and suggest that it governs how many daily powers per day you can use, I'd say that it was page 29's chart.  Since this chart would allow any class, after swapping powers, to maintain the same number of powers usable per day.  Since a wizard has the advantage of knowing more than 1 power per level, I say he is not bound to any rule which specifies that he must use one of his dailies on a first, on a fifth, etc.  He merely must stay within the rule of 1/day, 2/day, etc.