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5 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2008 - 2:55PM
#11
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Oct 25, 2007
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You're right, I should have been more clear.
As a follow up question, are there any classes that can know more Encounter Powers at a given level than the chart on page 29 indicates? And, if so, does the number that the chart lists limit the number of Encounter Powers that can be used in a single encounter?
Hope that makes sense, lol.
Hmm, Cleric gets a divine channeling power that is encounter as does the paladin.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2008 - 3:00PM
#12
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Mar 20, 2001
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Hmm, Cleric gets a divine channeling power that is encounter as does the paladin.
Yup, both of those are class features which are not affected by the chart on page 29.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2008 - 11:58PM
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Mar 15, 2001
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So...
Level 5 Wizard knows 4 dailies. 1-4 of them are level 1, 1-2 of them are level 5.
Let us assume that Wizard has the simplist pattern: 2 level 1, 2 level 5.
She can cast 2 dailies per day.
In what combos?
[list=a] 1 level 1, 1 level 5?
2 level 1s?
2 level 5?
All of the above? or only the first two combos? Or?
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 12:53AM
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Mar 20, 2001
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A level 5 wizard can prepare a number of daily spells equal to the third value listed in the last column of the chart on page 29. In this case, this means 2 daily spells. If a 5th level wizards knows two 1st level dailies and two 5th level dailies, he can prep any two of the four (just not the same one twice).
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 1:19AM
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Aug 26, 2007
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A level 5 wizard can prepare a number of daily spells equal to the third value listed in the last column of the chart on page 29. In this case, this means 2 daily spells. If a 5th level wizards knows two 1st level dailies and two 5th level dailies, he can prep any two of the four (just not the same one twice).
I'm not saying you're wrong, but this sounds overpowered to me. Under the D&D tradition, I would limit the wizard to a 1st and a 5th, or two 1st levels. Two 5th levels seems wrong under Vancian constructions, but if you can show me how you get there, I'm game.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 3:30AM
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but this sounds overpowered to me. Under the D&D tradition, I would limit the wizard to a 1st and a 5th, or two 1st levels. Two 5th levels seems wrong under Vancian constructions, but if you can show me how you get there, I'm game.
Nothing seems to expressly prohibit this. Other classes are limited to 1 1st lv and 1 5th lv daily as these are all they know (so you don't really have a say in the matter). The game does not mention what happens if you happen to know more than 1 daily of a particular lv, so it does seem that a 5th lv wizard could prepare 2 different 5th lv daily spells.
Similarly, the slots make no mention of the maximum lv they can hold, just that they hold daily spells (and cannot hold the same spell more than once). :P
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 4:56AM
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Sep 26, 2005
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Nothing seems to expressly prohibit this. Other classes are limited to 1 1st lv and 1 5th lv daily as these are all they know (so you don't really have a say in the matter). The game does not mention what happens if you happen to know more than 1 daily of a particular lv, so it does seem that a 5th lv wizard could prepare 2 different 5th lv daily spells.
Nothing but the rules.
After an extended rest, you can prepare a number of daily and utility spells according to what you can cast per day for your level.
These limitations ARE both level based and slot based.
So in the aforementioned example, you can memorize a 1st level spell and a 5th level spell, or both your first level spells, but you CANNOT memorize both your fifth level spells, as that violates the rule for what you can cast per day for your level (a 5th level character cannot cast two 5th level daily powers).
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 5:04AM
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Jul 24, 2004
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So in the aforementioned example, you can memorize a 1st level spell and a 5th level spell, or both your first level spells, but you CANNOT memorize both your fifth level spells, as that violates the rule for what you can cast per day for your level (a 5th level character cannot cast two 5th level daily powers).
Your quote states nothing of the sort.
It simply says that I am limited by what I can cast each day. A 5th lv wizard can cast 2 dailies. Nowhere is it mentioned that these 2 dailies must be made up of at least 1 1st lv spell, or that I cannot prepare 2 5th lv daily spells.
Otherwise, how would your slots ever upgrade? For instance, I stop gaining new wizard-only daily slots at lv9. According to you, I would be limited to just 1 1st lv, 1 5th lv and 1 9th lv daily spell. At lv 15, I am allowed to swap in a new daily power. If I opt not to do so, but later manage to add new lv15 spells to my spellbook through other means (say via the expanded spellbook feat), by your interpretation, I would not be able to prepare any 15th lv daily spells because I have no 15th lv spell slots with which to fill.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 5:12AM
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Feb 18, 2008
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Your quote states nothing of the sort.
It simply says that I am limited by what I can cast each day. A 5th lv wizard can cast 2 dailies. Nowhere is it mentioned that these 2 dailies must be made up of at least 1 1st lv spell, or that I cannot prepare 2 5th lv daily spells.
unfortunately... this is right...
probably in developer's mind it would work let u hoosing what first lev power use and what 5th level power use... but essentially this isn't stated... in the ecept on paragon class (if I don't wrong) they shown a table in which was indicated the power avaible per day... and here were indicated not only the number of power avaible but also the level of each power... unfortunately in the PHP there isn't that table but the one that only show how much power u have in total...
so without a faq or an house role a wizard of 5th level should cast 2 5th level daily spell...
PS: this is what roles literally say... than the good DM let his dummy wizard make so and let hi found something that for an illogical and strange reason could only be beaten by his first level daily power that he drop for using his 2 5th level power ^^ .... this is how I deal with my player when they try to rule against the master... and lokking at our early game this seem to work fine ^^
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5 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2008 - 5:17AM
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Jul 24, 2004
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PS: this is what roles literally say... than the good DM let his dummy wizard make so and let hi found something that for an illogical and strange reason could only be beaten by his first level daily power that he drop for using his 2 5th level power ^^ .... this is how I deal with my player when they try to rule against the master... and lokking at our early game this seem to work fine ^^
The only 1st lv daily which seems to work equally well at all lvs appears to be sleep. The rest appear to be outdone mechanically by the higher lv dailies, which are effectively their upgrades.
And yep, this means that a 9th lv wizard with the expanded spellbook feat can prepare 3 5th lv daily spells.:D
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