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Jan 12, 2013 -- 2:45AM, bajatmerc wrote:

What is the criteria I need to achieve to get my guide into the list?
What improvements do I need to make?

I think my list is similar to the list of best builds.  

No, it really, really isn't.  There's a meaningful choice to be made between the best builds, and a guide listing best builds for a given role and level is therefore very useful, because someone who's looking for a character to play can come in and say 'I want to play a striker, oh, hey, here's a guide and it says Time Bomb is awesome so I'll try it out'.  And critically, the guide is correct, the person is satisfied with the information they got, and they feel good about CharOp, and might become a productive member of the community.

Your list of best powers doesn't offer advice on meaningful choices to be made - i.e. it's not saying 'when your whatever class has the choice of a whatever type power at level X, this one is the one to go for', something which might prove useful to someone, it's a list of mostly funamentally incompatible powers.  That is to say, powers which are not available to the same individual character, or in the same power slot.  It's pretty meaningless to compare, for instance, punishing eye and magic weapon, because they occupy different slots, and you don't have to choose between them except on a tactical level in-play, and that wasn't the purpose of the guide.  It's even more meaningless to compare pressing strike, overwhelming strike and footwork lure, because there is none but the most tortuous of edge cases where someone would need to choose one out of those three powers.

I can't think of a single situation where someone would be building a character and say 'I'm not sure what power to take at this point' and from that, consult an un-sorted list of 75 (why 75, by the way, why not 10, or 50, or 500?) heroic tier powers which may or may not have some useful information for the class, slot and level he's concerned about.  And particularly when the thread contains its original poster arguing for (for instance) the objective superiority of STR over WIS because WIS doesn't contribute to AC or HP, and then entirely ignoring the 4 or 5 people who tell him how it does and, for that matter, nor does STR, except when similar exceptions apply.

Your arguments displayed some fundamental misunderstandings of how the game works.  They still do.  One of the key parts of operating in this forum effectively is knowing the rules well, inside and out, and being able to apply them properly.  If you can't do that, you will not get anywhere in this forum, as we operate pretty resolutely by the rules as written.

There are no objective criteria for inclusion, by the way.  What gets included in these guides is what the forum consensus deems good enough.  The crucial thing is that that choice isn't really up to the guy writing the guide, it's up to the people reading it.

Please note, by the way, that I'm doing my absolute best to be constuctive here - you're enthusiastic and well-spoken, and could well be a decent member of the forum, if you can get the hang of the rules of the game and the ettiquettes of posting.  And I'm being a lot nicer about it than many regulars would be.  Please try to take some of the advice to heart.

Jan 12, 2013 -- 5:51AM, bajatmerc wrote:

It is a reference, that is the function of lists.
I would appreciate you giving examples when accusing me of things. I make mistakes just like everyone else though. And I fix them.

Thanks Matyr, I will ask for counter points to be given on powers as well.  

I'm not trying to bother you about this, though it may seem like it.  I'm trying to drill down with you to the core of why people have some issues what you're doing here, so go with me, please:

What is it a reference for?  For what purpose do you envision someone actually USING your guide? 

When you say it's a reference, and that's what lists are for... fill in the blank: 'hey I need to _________ so I'll use Baja's list of 75 powers for that.'

A list of anything only useful if it has purpose and logic behind it, and if it doesn't have purpose or logic behind it it's noise and people will react accordingly, usually by messing up a thread until it gets locked.  So, what's the purpose and logic behind your list?  Why is it useful?

If you can answer one or all of those questions, or find out the reasons why you can't, you might make some progress as to understanding why your efforts are not appreciated.  So seriously, quote this post, and wherever there's a question mark, answer the question.  Fill that big ol' blank in.  See where you get to.  Please and thank you .