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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 7:39AM #411
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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Use a flail. There already is a guide for that.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 9:04AM #412
GelatinousOctahedron
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Fardiz, acid has a little more optimization potential than that.  For instance its an easy way to consistently cause enemies to grant CA to your party with oozemaster if you use an implement.  And it has a couple of decent feats.
 
But your other points are correct.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 9:37AM #413
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It's painfully easy to get CA without wasting your weapon enchant and theme.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 10:34AM #414
zelink551
Date Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Move this topic elsewhere, this isn't the place.
The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook

The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed

The Bookish Barbarian

Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 6:27PM #415
bajatmerc
Date Joined: Mar 3, 2010
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 5:45AM, Fardiz wrote:


 

I am also going to soon start work on a guide for an alternative method to achieve what Polearm Momentum does. 




I.e. be a subpar defender?




I haven't seen defenders use polearm momentum before. That guide is very cool in my opinion, though I would think it is more suited as a controller/striker.

I have a guide that talks about the math relating the odds of CA too. It agrees with your assumption Fardiz. CA is not hard to get. It happens half the time in the first round, and 75% of time in any other round. Spending more than a feat on CA could be considered excessive design if you only wanted CA 75% of the time. 

There are guides rejected from this list subjectively, and there could be a list that has an explicit criteria free of subjectiveness. So long as opinions in a guide are started as opinions, and the RAW is correct the guides should be allowed. That way elitists can have this guide, and everyone is still equally encouraged to participate in the Char Op community despite not being popular with the Char Op click.
 
Through the Fair Use of the 1976 copyright act any of the guides in the current list could be included. That should get around any childish claims that people only want their guide in one list. 
   
Maybe Matyr could make the list, he seems level headed. Fradiz seems to have a great grasp on 4E as well. He could make it.

Catpikes guide is good too. 

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Concisely: I want a system where players don't have to pick between mechanics and roleplaying. I hope 5E fails asap so a better system can be made asap.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 6:29PM #416
kilpatds
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*boggle*

(Edit: When I typed this, the post above consisted only of the "I've not aware of polearm momentum fighters" comment, and nothing else)
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 6:55PM #417
ezrider23
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Defenders are more or less melee controllers so...
Sorry Zelink i just needed to respond.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 9:52PM #418
bajatmerc
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Did you want me to redact a portion of my statements?
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 10:07PM #419
Matyr
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I'd ask if you realize that your story isn't about misunderstanding... but I would be saddened at the response.

The issue still stands.  If it is actually mathematically provable that riding the donkey one at a time is the best option (or any other option) given a list of constraints, then it would be relevant to char op.  As that is clearly not the meaning of the story, **shrug**.

Also, if you have multiple threads to link to you are welcome to put it in your sig.  But it has no business in the collective unless the concensus shows it to be useful.  I'd ask you to leave the thread to take this somewhere else, but really I would prefer if you would just leave this forum in general.

Edit: Your explanation of gaining CA is also... quaint.  It doesn't actually work like that at all.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 11:45PM #420
zelink551
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 9:52PM, bajatmerc wrote:

Did you want me to redact a portion of my statements?




All of them. Stop hijacking this thread, use a different one.

The Elemental Man (or Woman): A Genasi Handbook

The Warlord, Or How to Wield a Barbarian One-Handed

The Bookish Barbarian

Fardiz: RAI is fairly clear, but RAZ is different

That's right. Rules According to Zelink!

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http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28317541/Barfcheeze_help?pg=1

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