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6 months ago ::
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:28PM
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Please speak for yourself and not others Zathris.
A person giving useful feedback stated a criteria.
They said:
"Step 1: Don't overlap with other guides
Step 2: Make reasonable choices within your chosen Balliwick
Step 3: Defend those choices with some form of reliable and acceptable math. You can't base your choices solely on an opinion (Yours or otherwise).
Step 4: Edit what you have when it doesn't line up with the reliable and acceptable math given by others.
Step 5: Wait until the community has had a small amount of time to evaluate it for completeness
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Step 6: Drop the bad habits of continually editting yourself (without noting that it was an edit) and reporting everyone who doesn't agree with you."
And regarding the subjectivity, nearly every guide states why people subjectively assigned values along with the counterpoints that they weighed.
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Concisely: I want a system where players don't have to pick between mechanics and roleplaying. I hope 5E fails asap so a better system can be made asap.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:30PM
#442
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Zathris speaks for everyone on this.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:31PM
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You misunderstand my intention. He does not speak for me.
I will take the blame for not being more concise, sorry.
You don't have to agree with me that those guides are subjective even though they state counter points, and it is up to any user how they want to optimize arbitrarily.
However, Zathris can grow up and accept that people can have different opinions without calling them jerks or saying they have "psychological problems".
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6 months ago ::
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:36PM
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Greetings, Please bear in mind that Baiting is against the Code of ConductI would advise you not to post in this thread specifically to harass others, the community forums are not the place for this behaviour. Please keep the conversation civil and above all else, fun. Thanks,
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6 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 2:54PM
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Ive removed content from this thread because trolling and baiting is a violation of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code here: www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_...Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively. If you wish to report a post for Code of Conduct violation, click on the Report Post button above the post and this will submit your report to the moderators on duty.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 4:01PM
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YHe does not speak for me.
He is speaking for everyone that matters.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 5:00AM
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And this thread was origionally for collecting links to character builds and handbooks for building 4e characters. When did this thread suddenly turn into a pointless argument? *long sigh*
In short, take it elsewhere. This is not the thread for such an arugment. I agree with Zathris's opinion fully.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 7:51AM
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I would like to recommend Armisael's Stand and Bang Guide be included in the Complete Collection. Maybe not as an official handbook but as a reference guide. I might suggest LDB's Barb guide be moved to outdated if this were to replace it but LDB's is still the most complete.
Stand_And_Bang:_Multiattack_Barbarian
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 9:20AM
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Stand and Bang is more a build than a guide. It should be there under barbarian builds (even though it is hybrid fighter) but it is in no way a replacement for Appetite for Destruction (LDB's barb guide) which is still very useful for a player new to the class.
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5 months ago ::
Feb 05, 2013 - 9:24AM
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Stand and Bang is more a build than a guide. It should be there under barbarian builds (even though it is hybrid fighter) but it is in no way a replacement for Appetite for Destruction (LDB's barb guide) which is still very useful for a player new to the class.
Thus my commentary on "might" and LDB's being the "most complete". Listed with the Barb builds would probably be the best place for it. Perhaps a link in with the Striker|Defender Hybrids to be complete, even though it's all striker.
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