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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 12:50PM #18001
Zathris
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What race?

Right now the best charger that doesn't gain "use a multi-attack on your charge" is probably using a Firewind Blade (I actually have to wonder if even the multi-attackers aren't better off using that as well), but that's pretty much required to be a Paragon-Epic thing.

I will say, since Vampires are Dex/Cha, I really would just MC Sorcerer and start power swapping.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 12:54PM #18002
MalachiDrake
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Human.

Can the heavy blade needed for Firewind Blade be used as an Implement?

As for power swapping, since the class features don't apply to any other classes powers if I was going down that line I would have been better just making a different class (which is proberbly the smarter thing to do :P)
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 12:59PM #18003
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You could MC SM to use heavy blades as implements.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 12:59PM #18004
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Yes, if you MC Swordmage.

E: Ninja isn't even a class no fair :P
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 1:18PM #18005
MalachiDrake
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Ok so I have already done that since I was planning to use daggers.

With the Thunder I can see in Heroic that At-Will I will be getting 1d6 thunder damage from charging property, +2 from this triggering resonating superior implement and +1 from Echoes of Thunder feat.

With the Fire I can get a +3 property damage if I can trigger the fire effect. How do I get that to trigger and what can be done to make the damage higher than thunder?
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 2:53PM #18006
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For a party of Swordmage, Sorcerer, Feylock, Summoner Druid - what would you recommend as a 5th man? To me this looks like Killswitch might work,  but I'm not too familiar with the current state of leader-OP.
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3 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 3:09PM #18007
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Mar 10, 2013 -- 2:53PM, Doobledigoop wrote:

For a party of Swordmage, Sorcerer, Feylock, Summoner Druid - what would you recommend as a 5th man? To me this looks like Killswitch might work,  but I'm not too familiar with the current state of leader-OP.


Spell Commander combos nicely with a Sorc, assuming they took the right at-wills. Killswitch just always sort of works. Pick a Switch. I personally like Flameswitch a bit more, but I think nearly all of the Switch builds need to be updated so you are going to be doing some legwork regardless.

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2 months ago  ::  Mar 10, 2013 - 8:11PM #18008
Zathris
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Mar 10, 2013 -- 1:18PM, MalachiDrake wrote:

Ok so I have already done that since I was planning to use daggers.

With the Thunder I can see in Heroic that At-Will I will be getting 1d6 thunder damage from charging property, +2 from this triggering resonating superior implement and +1 from Echoes of Thunder feat.

With the Fire I can get a +3 property damage if I can trigger the fire effect. How do I get that to trigger and what can be done to make the damage higher than thunder?



I was misremembering the Human +Fire feat, it's encounter and daily powers only. Your heroic options are pretty much nil. In Paragon, since you're already MC Swordmage, Malec-Keth Janissary.

If "Create a new Character" is an option: Vryloka Sorcerer. You're still basically a vampire, just not the Vampire Class.

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2 months ago  ::  Mar 11, 2013 - 1:50AM #18009
thespaceinvader
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Pretty much that - of the four possible ways to play a vampire, playing a Vampire is the worst one.

The four, for the record, are, in order of how much they screw your character potentially:

Refluff whatever you're currently doing
Vampire Heritage
Vryloka race








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2 months ago  ::  Mar 11, 2013 - 9:24AM #18010
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My group will try a one-shot in mid heroic where the race and class have been decided beforehand. I will have to play a Drow Warlock (Binder). Is there any way to gain the ability to become hidden after using shadow walk? If I read things correctly Shadow Walk grants partial concealment, but becoming hidden requires total concealment. I went looking in the compendium but did not find anyting.
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