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Aug 20, 2012 -- 11:15AM, Zhara wrote:

Question about the interface between on-charge damage bonuses and multi-attacks:

 Boots of the mighty charge (dragon 381) and a number of other methods unlock the ability to use a multi-attack on a charge (for simplicity, lets say Twin-Strike.)

There are umpteen items that give bonuses to damage, with variable wording, on charge attacks.

Vanguard (the most common enchant for this sort of thing) says:

Property

Deal +1d8 damage on any successful charge.

I interpret that to mean "once per charge," where it's essentially tacking 1d8 onto your total charge damage. 

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Horned helm, by contrast, says:

Property

Your charge attacks deal 1d6 extra damage.

I interpret that to mean that each attack, on a charge, does 1/2/3D6 bonus damage when you make those attacks at the end of your charge. Celestial Charger's mount property, the charge-based expertise feats,  Thundergod Weapons, and several others have wording that explicitly states "charge attacks" rather than "on a charge."

Is this interpretation correct?

The wordings are different because they were written at different times by different authors under different editors with no coherent editorial policy and no technical writing supervision.

The meanings are all the same:  The attacks at the end of a charge do more damage.
The best rule of thumb is, if you used the Charge action and got the Charge bonus to hit with this attack, you get the Charge damage adders.  All of them.

Can anyone point me toward a build or thread featuring a prototypical stunlocker?


J 

Aug 20, 2012 -- 6:15PM, Sowthistle wrote:

Does deft hurler stack with cruel cut style?
i.e. If there is no opponant adjacent to target do they get ongoing wis bonus + you get to make ranged basic against a second foe?

cruel cut style Show

Cleave (fighter): If no other enemies are adjacent to the target when you hit the target with this exploit, the target takes ongoing damage equal to your Wisdom modifier (save ends).

deft hurler Show

Cleave: You can forgo dealing damage to the adjacent enemy to instead make a ranged basic attack with a heavy thrown weapon against one creature other than the target of your cleave. This ranged basic attack does not provoke opportunity attacks.

They do not work together.*

Deft Hurler requires there to be an adjacent enemy, other than the target of Cleave, that you are forgoing dealing damage to in order to make a RBA.  Cruel Cut Style requires that there be no other enemies adjacent to you the target when you use Cleave.

* - Hmm ... Upon actually reading Cruel Cut style, it looks for enemies adjacent to the target of Cleave, not you.  So, if you have someone else adjacent to you but not adjacent to the target of Cleave, then I don't see why you couldn't get both to work.