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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:06PM
#12451
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If an enemy cannot attack you, and they use an area attack, does it just not target you or can it not include your square in the burst/blast?
Since a burst is a burst regardless of whether it comes from player or monster, the fact that it requires very specific feats to not target/slide out of/apply a penalty to attacks vs allies in the burst/blast says no, if it includes your square, they can't make it.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:09PM
#12452
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This would work well with a Pixie in another player's square, then. It'd make them immune to blasts and bursts! This would be an interesting addition to mellored's pocket protector idea...
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:13PM
#12453
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This would work well with a Pixie in another player's square, then. It'd make them immune to blasts and bursts! This would be an interesting addition to mellored's pocket protector idea...
No, not quite. It only eliminates you as a target of attacks - the enemy can put the burst wherever he damn well pleases, he just cannot make attack rolls against you, or deal damage that is a result of a successful hit.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:20PM
#12454
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This would work well with a Pixie in another player's square, then. It'd make them immune to blasts and bursts! This would be an interesting addition to mellored's pocket protector idea...
No, not quite. It only eliminates you as a target of attacks - the enemy can put the burst wherever he damn well pleases, he just cannot make attack rolls against you, or deal damage that is a result of a successful hit.
It doesn't say "you are immune to the creatures attacks".
It says "the enemy can't attack you". Putting you in their burst is attacking you.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:21PM
#12455
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This would work well with a Pixie in another player's square, then. It'd make them immune to blasts and bursts! This would be an interesting addition to mellored's pocket protector idea...
No, not quite. It only eliminates you as a target of attacks - the enemy can put the burst wherever he damn well pleases, he just cannot make attack rolls against you, or deal damage that is a result of a successful hit.
No. You can't just pick and choose to not target some targets in the area of a burst. You have to do what the power says - if it says it targets creatures in the burst, and you put the burst on a creature, you *must* target that creature.
If you are FORBIDDEN to target a creature, and your burst targets all creatures in burst, you cannot put that burst over that creature.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:25PM
#12456
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Well, technically it says cannot attack you, not cannot target you. I'll check the RC when I get home on the formal order of attack steps to see if there's some legal wording there, but generally powers specify if they take effect when targeted, hit or missed by an attack separately.
My gut says you can put the burst where you want, it just washes over you like water off a duck, but I'm interested in what more people think about it by RAW.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 3:31PM
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Well, technically it says cannot attack you, not cannot target you. I'll check the RC when I get home on the formal order of attack steps to see if there's some legal wording there, but generally powers specify if they take effect when targeted, hit or missed by an attack separately.
Targeting is part of an attack. You start with picking your targets, then you attack the targets, then you figure out if you hit or miss your targets, then you do everything else the attack says.
But the targeting is part of the attack.
You can't just decide not to skip the rest of the attack once you've targeted the guy, just like you can't skip the targeting or the attack and go straight to the hit.
If you can't target a dude, you can't attack him with a power that targets him. If the power says it targets creatures in an area, you can't just arbitrarily decide to NOT target a creature in the area.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 4:38PM
#12458
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What is the effect of mighty crusader expertise?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 4:44PM
#12459
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If the power says it targets creatures in an area, you can't just arbitrarily decide to NOT target a creature in the area.
That's correct... except for the off-chance that you're not allowed to declare attacks against a creature, such as that effect.
The effect of targetting and attacking are definitely seperate clauses - look at some Artificer powers, where the target is an ally (or at least places the Burst over it), but you attack one/each/whatever enem(ies) in the burst, none of which have been targetted by the power.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 03, 2012 - 5:01PM
#12460
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How optimized is Warp in the Weave? None of the guides I've read takes a poke at it. Even the ones listing "red" powers.
In my case it's for a teleporting defender Eladrin Knight (MC: Swordmage).
I usually have healing surges to spend. And ignoring an artillery blast + effects it causes seems nice.
What color level would you deem it to be for such a build?
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