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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 1:47PM #17001
Zwets
Date Joined: Jun 10, 2011
Posts: 1
Hi, I'm trying to figure out a useful defender build around 'World Serpent's Grasp' [Heroes of the forgotten kingdoms]
The idea is to use a warden (or anything else that can 'slowed until end of next turn' with at-will powers) 

But it turns out there are a lot less feats and items that benefit from prone targets than I thought there would be. 
What I have found so far is only:
Headsman's Chop [PHB3]
Moonstalker (Paragon Path) [PHB2]
Vicious Advantage [PHB3]

Are there any feats and items that I am missing? 

I'm looking for tricks like: Mark any target you knock prone, when a prone enemy starts their turn next to you they are immobelised and so on.
There are tons of benefits to add onto a charge, or onto a push/pull/slide; I expected there to be more on having prone enemies next to you...
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 1:58PM #17002
Celerian01
Date Joined: May 27, 2011
Posts: 631

Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:39PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Drow is Charisma and DEX or WIS. So you won't get those secondaries for the fighter.


Nope, both races are locked into DEX.  The choice is DEX/CHA, DEX/CON, or DEX/WIS.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 2:44PM #17003
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:58PM, Celerian01 wrote:

Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:39PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Drow is Charisma and DEX or WIS. So you won't get those secondaries for the fighter.


Nope, both races are locked into DEX.  The choice is DEX/CHA, DEX/CON, or DEX/WIS.



Doh! It would help if i looked under the actual race in the compendium and not just what comes up from a search.

In the case of the fighter, isn't there a Drow Black Hole build floating around? Out of curiosity is this for the Lair? I know you had posted in the rebreather thread and had mentioned that you wanted to play one for LAIR. If this is so it may be good to do a leader and defender who has some ranged abilities due to being mounted. If not then nevermind.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 2:49PM #17004
Wishful
Date Joined: Jul 20, 2008
Posts: 130

Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:39PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Drow is Charisma and DEX or WIS. So you won't get those secondaries for the fighter.




Blah.  I don't have HoFK, and FRPG has been superceded.  I assumed the compendium and character builder were correct listing it as DEX mandatory with Cha or Wis optional.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 2:52PM #17005
ezrider23
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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Feb 1, 2013 -- 2:49PM, Wishful wrote:

Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:39PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Drow is Charisma and DEX or WIS. So you won't get those secondaries for the fighter.




Blah.  I don't have HoFK, and FRPG has been superceded.  I assumed the compendium and character builder were correct listing it as DEX mandatory with Cha or Wis optional.


Don't mind me. Once again i jumped the gun and gave false info. It is as you stated DEX w/ CHA or WIS as the flex stat.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 5:24PM #17006
Celerian01
Date Joined: May 27, 2011
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Feb 1, 2013 -- 2:44PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:58PM, Celerian01 wrote:

Feb 1, 2013 -- 1:39PM, ezrider23 wrote:

Drow is Charisma and DEX or WIS. So you won't get those secondaries for the fighter.


Nope, both races are locked into DEX.  The choice is DEX/CHA, DEX/CON, or DEX/WIS.



Doh! It would help if i looked under the actual race in the compendium and not just what comes up from a search.

In the case of the fighter, isn't there a Drow Black Hole build floating around? Out of curiosity is this for the Lair? I know you had posted in the rebreather thread and had mentioned that you wanted to play one for LAIR. If this is so it may be good to do a leader and defender who has some ranged abilities due to being mounted. If not then nevermind.


It's a lair assault style game, but it's not the official one (or at least not the current one).  So far I've built a drow wildshape druid, drow DW monk, drow cunning bard, and a revenant battlemind (one of these things is not like the others...).  Would be nice if I knew what I needed to bring besides "drow or drow revenant," but what can you do?

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 6:32PM #17007
Jugulator007
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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I thought we had all agreed that the battlemind was not a defender.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 6:33PM #17008
LordOfWeasels
Date Joined: Apr 6, 2009
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Feb 1, 2013 -- 6:32PM, Jugulator007 wrote:

I thought we had all agreed that the battlemind was not a defender.




It's a controller/defender.  Still kinda fun!

Confused about Stealth?  Think "invisibility" means "take the mini off the board to make people guess?"  You need to check out The Rules Of Hidden Club.

Damage types and resistances:  A working house rule.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 6:40PM #17009
Jugulator007
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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If by controller defender you mean "If you aren't playing it as a striker you're Doing It Wrong".
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 01, 2013 - 6:40PM #17010
Fardiz
Date Joined: Dec 22, 2010
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It's a striker...
Back to Basics - A Guide to Basic Attacks

You might be playing DnD wrong if...

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein
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