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7 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 6:39PM
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Thanks for the answer!
Now for a more CharOp-like question then:
How about combo'ing Dual-Implement Spellcaster with the Quickhit Braces? Would that give me an additional 1d6 for EVERY hit at Heroic?
No.
1. Quickhit Braces specifies 'weapon', meaning you have to be using weapons, not implements.
2. Even with Dual Implement Spellcaster, you are only attacking with one implement, so you can never fulfill the 'main weapon and off-hand weapon' requirement.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 10:15PM
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what am I doing wrong here? I clipboarded the character and tried to paste it to be PEACHed but it didn't come out like the ones I see, it comes out as one clumped paragraph. obviously it's my mistake but am not sure what i'm doing wrong.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 4:45AM
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Well, that's clear. Now for a more hypothetical case in which DIS would make the caster use both implements: What if I'm using a Staff and a Pact Blade (as a Warlock), both can count both as a weapon and as an implement (with the right feats), would that (with the hypothetical version of DIS) somehow change this? Or is it like they count as a Weapon OR as an Implement, but never both at the same time? (Like: I use the Staff for an MBA, then it's a Weapon, and not an Implement, or, I use my Pact Blade to cast a certain spell, then it's an Implement, and not a Weapon) Also: I'm hoping to get some other opinions than Salla's on this case as well!' 
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 5:27AM
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Well, that's clear. Now for a more hypothetical case in which DIS would make the caster use both implements:
What if I'm using a Staff and a Pact Blade (as a Warlock), both can count both as a weapon and as an implement (with the right feats), would that (with the hypothetical version of DIS) somehow change this? Or is it like they count as a Weapon OR as an Implement, but never both at the same time? (Like: I use the Staff for an MBA, then it's a Weapon, and not an Implement, or, I use my Pact Blade to cast a certain spell, then it's an Implement, and not a Weapon)
Also: I'm hoping to get some other opinions than Salla's on this case as well!'
You have to use the staff with both hands to make weapon attacks.
Also it was not Salla's opinion, it was the rule. You only hit with one of your weapons/implements, and the feat adds X damage. Forget about the name of the feat, it is only fluff. Even if it was Dual Weapon Attack, you would need two attack rolls to be able to hit twice.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 6:35AM
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Thanks for the infos!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 6:49AM
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A staff is a weapon and thus can have weapon enchants (as can daggers etc) and so the pact blade is also both a weapon and an implement.
If you fired a shot through your primary weaplement and then AP'd (or Quickened in Epic) to fire a spell out of your offhand weaplement, then the quickhit bracers would kick in.
You need to hit with a weapon, which you did. It does not specify "with a weapon attack".
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 7:01AM
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what am I doing wrong here? I clipboarded the character and tried to paste it to be PEACHed but it didn't come out like the ones I see, it comes out as one clumped paragraph. obviously it's my mistake but am not sure what i'm doing wrong.
There's some sort of browser issue on WotC boards. Firefox doesn't usually have a problem.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 8:58AM
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what am I doing wrong here? I clipboarded the character and tried to paste it to be PEACHed but it didn't come out like the ones I see, it comes out as one clumped paragraph. obviously it's my mistake but am not sure what i'm doing wrong.
I don't recall if this fix works in *this specific* case, but fairly often when I'm copy-pasting a large block of text from one program to another I find it useful to copy-paste from the source to Wordpad or Notepad or some other really simple text editor, and then copy-paste from there to the actual destination.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:42AM
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A staff is a weapon and thus can have weapon enchants (as can daggers etc) and so the pact blade is also both a weapon and an implement.
If you fired a shot through your primary weaplement and then AP'd (or Quickened in Epic) to fire a spell out of your offhand weaplement, then the quickhit bracers would kick in.
No it wouldn't, they say "When using a power..." What you just described is quite clearly 2 powers.
Quickhit works with:
Hexblade powers while the Hexblade is wielding a weapliment and have their hexblade be usable as an implement itself (via MC Swordmage or AIP)
Powers like the melee version of Twin Strike or Sweeping Slash, in which you must make individual attack rolls for both your Main Hand and Off-Hand weapons. Rangers have a lot of these, Fighters have a few, Barbarians have none.
Powers that are multi-attacks, like Passing Attack, Storm of Blades, or even Thunder Leap (when using 2 Weapliments), and you can choose to make some of the attacks with your Main Hand and some with your Off-Hand. Fighters, Barbarians, and Sorcerers notably have some of these, but many classes have a couple.
Quickhit does not work with:
Powers like Prismatic Burst that make a single attack roll per target but target multiple defenses, you only get to use one Implement.
Being able to benefit from the likes of Dual Implement Spellcaster, Ninefold Master, Arkhosian Scepter; simply adding a bonus doesn't count as the attack being made with that item.
Powers like Whirling Frenzy where you make an attack with your Main Hand but also deal damage with your Off-Hand; you never make an attack roll with the Off-Hand so it never Hits.
Powers like Dual Weapon Attack, the effect of Dervish's Challenge, or Off-Hand Strike (or just about any other power you can use with your OH, really) are separate powers and thus don't meet the initial criteria for Quickhit.
Powers like Dual Strike where you attack multiple creatures; you must hit the same target with both the MH and OH.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 2:13PM
#15530
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As far as Quickhit Bracers go, what would happen in the case of a Ranger dual-wielding, say, a pair of Dwarven Thrower Waraxes, and deciding to throw first one, then the other, when using Twin Strike? Does this meet the requirements of the item?
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