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4 years ago ::
Jul 12, 2009 - 11:15PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2002
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Something like this would make a good solid striker:
Revenant Dragonborn Vestige Pact Warlock/Lyrandar Windrider/Demigod
Str =
Dex =
Con = high
Int = high
Wis =
Cha =
Breath Type = Lightning, relevant stat = Con
Feats needed = Draconic Spellcasting (Lightning), Energy Admixture (Lightning), Implement Mastery
It's still under construction, but it gets about the highest to-hit you can get with a non-avenger, and it lets you use Con for just about everything (to-hit, damage, and extra damage) with good Int for rider effects.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 12:48AM
#22
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May 26, 2009
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Upho,
Unless you expicitly add the keyword to a power, I see no rules support for the notion that adding a damage type to a power also adds a corresponding keyword. You can have a melee attack that does some (or even all) lightning damage without it being a "Lightning" keyword power.
If you have text to the contrary, I'd love to see it. It would mean taking the PP Malec-Keth Jannisary (spelling) allows you to add a keyword to ALL you powers at 16th level.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 12:52AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2002
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In my rather quick search of in the PHB, I couldn't find a quote that explicitly says that adding damage with a certain keyword to a power also adds the keyword
That's because there is no such rule. There is in fact a difference between doing lightning damage, and having the lightning keyword. The reason stuff like Lightning Weapons work is because they have an at-will free action power that has the needed keyword, allowing you to add the keywords of that power onto your attack power.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 12:59AM
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Nov 14, 2008
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That's because there is no such rule. There is in fact a difference between doing lightning damage, and having the lightning keyword. The reason stuff like Lightning Weapons work is because they have an at-will free action power that has the needed keyword, allowing you to add the keywords of that power onto your attack power.
Yeah. That's the same reason Gloves of Eldritch Admixture (yes, they're totally broken, move right along) can add keywords and not just typed damage.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 3:14AM
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Jun 26, 2008
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See, that's what I thought - adding a certain damage type does not actually confer the keyword. The thing is, in this case it may not matter.
Mark of Storms triggers off of hitting with "a thunder or lightning power," not "a power with the thunder or lightning keywords." So the issue here is what actually constitutes something being a lightning power.
Either way though, upho's Shielding Stormtrooper looks like a good build even if forced to use a lightning weapon. Con mod to damage really seems like it'd do a good job of bringing a swordmage's DPR up to somewhat respectable.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 3:24AM
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Nov 14, 2008
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Mark of Storms triggers off of hitting with "a thunder or lightning power," not "a power with the thunder or lightning keywords."
Oh, come on. Those two are obviously the same thing. What else would it mean?
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 3:27AM
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Jun 26, 2008
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Oh, come on. Those two are obviously the same thing. What else would it mean?
It could mean a power that deals thunder or lightning damage without actually having those specific keywords, in a way not unlike that upho has provided.
I agree with you 100% that it probably means keyword RAI, but a bit of official clarification would be nice. I may take this over to the errata board, just to see.
EDIT: Thread's up in the Eberron Errata board if any of you want to contribute.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 5:44AM
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Nov 23, 2008
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1) Avenger using Overwhelming Strike at-will and a Lightning reach weapon.
As long as you realize your oath will hardly ever work.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 6:50AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 29, 2008
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That's because there is no such rule. There is in fact a difference between doing lightning damage, and having the lightning keyword. The reason stuff like Lightning Weapons work is because they have an at-will free action power that has the needed keyword, allowing you to add the keywords of that power onto your attack power.
Ooops! That's what you get from making assumptions without checking! :embarrass
Hmm... Seems I'm gonna have to rearrange my builds a bit. *sigh*
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 8:27AM
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Oct 21, 2007
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As long as you realize your oath will hardly ever work.
It's a strange interaction, but nothing in the rules as I've read them prevents you from benefiting from your Oath as well with an adjacent attack instead and making them 2-step into the space you left. Reach is the obvious application of the additional slide, but can be thought of as an added perk, at cost of OoE bonus. Even if disallowed by a stodgy DM, the benefit of making the Overwhelming Strike reach and proning your target is still worth the cost of a feat and losing the Oath reroll on the attack.
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