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Switch to Forum Live View Oh! blame not the bard. - The Bard Handbook
4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 12:47PM #31
Thorvald_Grimbjorn
Date Joined: May 3, 2008
Posts: 723
Aren't you jumping the gun just a bit, my good man? Regardless, I'm quite interested in seeing your handbook once finished.

"But Odin gave the mead of Suttungr to the Aesir and to those men who possess the ability to compose. Therefore we call poesy Odin's Booty and Find, and his Drink and Gift, and the Drink of the Æsir."
Cattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal. But the good name never dies of one who has done well.
Cattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal. But I know one thing that never dies: the glory of the great dead.

- Hávamál

D&D 4th Edition Bard builds: The Dashing Swordsman, The Master of Sound and Illusions, The Warrior Skald

Captain Morality! (No point in not having fun with it. ;-))
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 1:34PM #32
anomalousman
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2005
Posts: 825
Hear the voice of the Bard!
Who present, past, and future sees;
Whose ears have heard
The Holy Word,
That walked among the ancient trees,

Calling the lapsed soul,
And weeping in the evening dew;
That might control
The starry pole,
And fallen, fallen, light renew!

"O Earth, O Earth, return!
Arise from out the dewy grass;
Night is worn,
And the morn
Rises from the slumberous mass.

"Turn away no more;
Why wilt thou turn away?
The starry floor,
The watery shore,
Is given thee till the break of day."

--Blake
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 2:40PM #33
Aeloric
Date Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Posts: 92
I sincerely hope this becomes way much more than words...
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 4:54PM #34
JWT
Date Joined: Aug 2, 2005
Posts: 654

Thorvald_Grimbjorn wrote:

Aren't you jumping the gun just a bit, my good man? Regardless, I'm quite interested in seeing your handbook once finished.


Maybe, but I figured the task of tackling multiclassing would be quite onerous. That plus I had some time this weekend.....

Anyway, I have started to rate the powers that we know of, so take a look and give feedback.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 7:15PM #35
MikeN
Date Joined: Jun 21, 2002
Posts: 643

JWT wrote:

Maybe, but I figured the task of tackling multiclassing would be quite onerous. That plus I had some time this weekend.....

Anyway, I have started to rate the powers that we know of, so take a look and give feedback.


Biggest problem with multiclassing on a bard is that, unless specifically noted in the PHB, you may not take the same feat twice. Therefore, Novice Power, Acolyte Power, and Adept Power may be only used for one power each.

Added to that, you have the fact that you're a class based on two attributes which guide you onto what powers can be effective if taken. Multiclassing into something that doesn't rely on either of them is likely to be a waste of time. And then, you want to know if you can fit a multiclass feat in a build with the others needed to make it an effective character...

Edit: TY. Don't have the preview. Seems that there might be a few things to do with a bard, but until more stuff comes out we'll just have to wait and see.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 7:25PM #36
anomalousman
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2005
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They're Cha primary. Int or Con is secondary. Int is for the "tricky bard", and Con for the "valorous bard".
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 9:42PM #37
whitishknight
Date Joined: Apr 1, 2006
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Question: Can Bard/Multiclass Cleric take Heartwarder (from FRPG) which has an "any divine class" prerequisite?

If so it could make a nice pacifist-type character.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 22, 2009 - 7:11AM #38
JWT
Date Joined: Aug 2, 2005
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MikeN wrote:

Biggest problem with multiclassing on a bard is that, unless specifically noted in the PHB, you may not take the same feat twice. Therefore, Novice Power, Acolyte Power, and Adept Power may be only used for one power each.

Added to that, you have the fact that you're a class based on two attributes which guide you onto what powers can be effective if taken. Multiclassing into something that doesn't rely on either of them is likely to be a waste of time. And then, you want to know if you can fit a multiclass feat in a build with the others needed to make it an effective character...

Edit: TY. Don't have the preview. Seems that there might be a few things to do with a bard, but until more stuff comes out we'll just have to wait and see.


See my notes under Multiclassing on this.

whitishknight wrote:

Question: Can Bard/Multiclass Cleric take Heartwarder (from FRPG) which has an "any divine class" prerequisite?

If so it could make a nice pacifist-type character.


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 22, 2009 - 11:51AM #39
Shadow_Weaver
Date Joined: Jul 29, 2001
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Wand of Psychic Ravaging.

A Bard's best friend until PHBII comes out and proves otherwise.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 23, 2009 - 7:50PM #40
StarKiller_
Date Joined: Jan 7, 2008
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There is another daily utility known (I think from the DDXP), much better than the others:
Song of Defense
Burst 5, Minor action.
Effect: The burst creates a zone of bolstering song that lasts until the end of your next turn. When you move, the zone moves with you, remaining centered on you. While within the zone, any ally gains a +1 power bonus to AC.
Sustain minor.
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