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4 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2009 - 10:22PM #21
M._Scott_Eiland
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Nice to see another Wizard guide starting up.

I think you're being a bit rough on Expeditious Retreat. I'm in a campaign where I'm running a five-member party through the Scales of War Adventure Path (online--no other players), and my level 3 deva wizard found herself isolated and bloodied on one side of a large cave in a very nasty encounter with an orc soldier breathing down her neck while her teammates engaged the boss. She popped off Expeditious Retreat and wound up on the other side of the battlefield, where she was able to pop a healing potion and stand guard over a badly wounded prisoner while providing cover fire for her teammates until the battle was reduced to the boss monster and it was time to move in for the kill. There are arguably several better level 2 utilities--but the option for a squishy to double move without fear of OAs is not to be sneezed at. I'd lobby for a black type rating, at least.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2009 - 7:23AM #22
ls612
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I think you're being a bit rough on Expeditious Retreat. I'm in a campaign where I'm running a five-member party through the Scales of War Adventure Path (online--no other players), and my level 3 deva wizard found herself isolated and bloodied on one side of a large cave in a very nasty encounter with an orc soldier breathing down her neck while her teammates engaged the boss. She popped off Expeditious Retreat and wound up on the other side of the battlefield, where she was able to pop a healing potion and stand guard over a badly wounded prisoner while providing cover fire for her teammates until the battle was reduced to the boss monster and it was time to move in for the kill. There are arguably several better level 2 utilities--but the option for a squishy to double move without fear of OAs is not to be sneezed at. I'd lobby for a black type rating, at least.


The thing about Expedious Retreat is that it is situational and overshadowed by other options at that level. However, I will change it to black.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2009 - 9:28AM #23
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If someone could put this handbook in the stickied character build index, that would be most appreciated.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2009 - 11:58AM #24
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ls612 wrote:

If someone could put this handbook in the stickied character build index, that would be most appreciated.


You can do it. Instructions on how to are right at the beginning of the thread. You might want to wait until it's closer to completion though.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2009 - 2:01PM #25
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Woah woah woah.

Mordenkainen's Guardian Hound deserves AT LEAST blue for a Summoner. Hell, I'd go with sky blue.

3d4+int mod vs reflex as a MINOR action and the target takes -2 to its next attack roll vs you.

The minor for the attack instead of a standard is what seals it for me.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2009 - 4:14PM #26
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Woah woah woah.

Mordenkainen's Guardian Hound deserves AT LEAST blue for a Summoner. Hell, I'd go with sky blue.

3d4+int mod vs reflex as a MINOR action and the target takes -2 to its next attack roll vs you.

The minor for the attack instead of a standard is what seals it for me.


Oops, missed the Minor Action part. I will upgrade it to Blue, but Summon Arrowhawk is still better for summoners for ToB and Marking.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 26, 2009 - 8:49AM #27
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Just an FYI, ths is the order I will be putting content into the guide:

1: Finish Powers
2: PPs, EDs, MC
3: Hybrid?
4: Feats

Also, if someone could find a good pic for the top page of the handook and PM it to me, that would be appreciated.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 26, 2009 - 10:33PM #28
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FYI Face of Death is inferior to Sleep, by a lot. Why? The Helpless condition does not prevent the effected creature from taking actions. Unconscious and Helpless are very different and Helpless should have been called Defenseless.

Dumb? Yes. RAW? Yes.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2009 - 8:45AM #29
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FYI Face of Death is inferior to Sleep, by a lot. Why? The Helpless condition does not prevent the effected creature from taking actions. Unconscious and Helpless are very different and Helpless should have been called Defenseless.

Dumb? Yes. RAW? Yes.


I don't know that RAW you would be able to move if you were helpless. However, even if it is RAW, It would make sense for the DM to say that if the enemy can't defend itself, then it couldn't move or attack. If you want to debate this further, you should go to the Rules Forums.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2009 - 12:33PM #30
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*pant* Powers Finished. *pant* PPs, EDs and MCs Coming Soon *pant* *pant*
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