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4 years ago ::
May 07, 2009 - 12:14AM
#41
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Oct 24, 2007
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What benefits do Fey Step Trailblazer and Sun Elf Grace give? Also, where can I find them?
Fey Step Trailblazer let's you teleport someone with you when you fey step (dragon 366)
Sun Elf Grace is a limited feywild protection that stacks with it and is available at heroic (FRPG)
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4 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2009 - 1:15AM
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I would love to see a monk variant of this; monk MC fighter, who teleport-charges into attack with his psionic fist!
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4 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2009 - 9:13AM
#43
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Apr 12, 2009
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Someone a few weeks back brought up Swordmage/Fighter or Swordmage/Rogue/Fighter Hybrid MC for some more fey charge synergy. Swordmage will get you Eladrin Swordmage Advance which nets you a free melee basic attack on your Fey Step. Also, have you considered grabbing Eladrin Soldier for proficiency with the Urgrosh? It allows you to roll d12s and nets you a proficiency and focus in one. You do lose a proficiency, however.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 6:07PM
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The variant I am working on is a barbarian|Fighter Hybrid that multiclasses into swordmage. Taking eladrin swordmage advance means that I am getting a minimum two attacks per charge and once an encounter three attacks (Trip Up. Some people argue that Trip up would not work here but our group has ruled that free actions can be taken after a charge.) I think that for a barbarian that extra attack is worth more than the CA that multiclassing rogue would give.
Edit: For those that take feywild gambit they may want to take a look at Defensive Gambit (although not as good as sun elf grace or feywild protection). You could technically bump you AC up 5 points everytime you Feycharged a target (feywild protection, sunelf grace, defensive advantage).
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 7:30PM
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^You can not make the basic attack from Eladrin Swordmage Advance after the charge if you don't have Unstoppable Charge (or similar). It is in a FAQ somewhere. The charge practically stops your turn so...
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 8:14PM
#46
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The basic attack from Eladrin Swordmage Advance is a free action, which can be done at any time.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2009 - 8:45PM
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Took some time but I found the CustServ answer that someone published which clearly states that it doesn't work without Unstoppable Charge or the like: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.ph … ge+advanceEdit: Seems like Two-Weapon Opening doesn't work either.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 12:58AM
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Oct 24, 2007
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Edit: For those that take feywild gambit they may want to take a look at Defensive Gambit (although not as good as sun elf grace or feywild protection). You could technically bump you AC up 5 points everytime you Feycharged a target (feywild protection, sunelf grace, defensive advantage).
Problem is that the CA from fey gambit only works until the end of your turn, so that +2 from defensive advantage is very short-lived...
I think the no-action-after-a-charge rule (and here I tread carefully as many a heated debate has already been fought regarding this topic) does not actually apply to Eladrin Swordmage Advance as the trigger for the free action is
When you use your fey step racial power to teleport to a square adjacent to an enemy
so this would not happen after the charge action, but during the charge action, when you can still use free actions, AFAIK.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:05PM
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Aug 20, 2007
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Problem is that the CA from fey gambit only works until the end of your turn, so that +2 from defensive advantage is very short-lived...
Yeah. Your right. Didn't see that part. :surrender
I think the no-action-after-a-charge rule (and here I tread carefully as many a heated debate has already been fought regarding this topic) does not actually apply to Eladrin Swordmage Advance as the trigger for the free action is so this would not happen after the charge action, but during the charge action, when you can still use free actions, AFAIK.
Exactly. Since the trigger is actually the Fey step and not the completion of a charge you may be able to get away with it. :D Of course that is up for debate also because no where does it say that free actions can be taken in the middle of another action. (If you know otherwise or have examples showing that it can please join the discussion.)
Fortunately, I do not play LFR and my group has ruled that only free actions can be taken after a charge for a couple of reasons.
1) It always seemed retarded to make a class that charges a lot (barbarian) and then give him all these attack riders that he can not use because he charged.
2) There are quite a few free actions that are allowed after a charge and we felt it was precedent enough to make a ruling for the use of free actions.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:16PM
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^ I didn't say I agreed, just said that the CustServ answer to it was "No, it doesn't work.". But then again, haven't seen any ruling that you can't take a free action in the middle of another action (which this essentially is) so I would definitely allow it.
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