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EDIT: I took into account the additional average damage that you'll be doing with Imperiling Strike, Sneak Attack, Backstabber, and Gauntlets of Destruction. Now it only takes an average of 37.01 hits to bring down Orcus with the attacks from Blade Cascade.

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It's all in there. A level 30 rogue/ranger/Shadow Assassin/Deadly Trickster can, in fact, brutally murder Orcus all by himself in just one round. And he can do it flawlessly too, because if he doesn't win initiative naturally, he can use his daily Trickster's Disposition to make Orcus' initiative roll a natural 1. I'll repost the statistics over here for convenience:

Imperiling Strike Attack Bonus
+15 half level
+8 Dexterity bonus
+6 Duelist's dagger
+1 Rogue Proficiency
+1 Nimble Blade
+3 proficiency bonus
+2 combat advantage (First Strike, Duelist's dagger, flanking, etc.)
+4 Shadow Assassin
TOTAL: +40 (against 51 Fortitude defense)

Blade Cascade Attack Bonus
+15 half level
+7 Strength bonus
+6 Duelist's dagger
+1 Rogue Proficiency
+1 Nimble Blade
+3 proficiency bonus
+2 combat advantage (First Strike, Duelist's dagger, flanking, etc.)
+4 Shadow Assassin
+7 Imperiling Strike
TOTAL: +46

Imperiling Strike with Sneak Attack and Backstabber Non-Critical Damage
1d4 with Gauntlets of Destruction: 3 average damage
+5d8 Sneak Attack with Backstabber and Gauntlets of Destruction: 25 average damage
+8 Strength modifier
+6 Duelist's silver dagger
+10 Belt of Titan Strength
+3 Weapon Focus
+2 Light Blade Precision
+1 Two-Weapon Fighting
(+1 Two-Weapon Fighting) for main hand
TOTAL: 59 on main hand dagger

Imperiling Strike with Sneak Attack and Backstabber Critical Damage
1d4 maximized: 4 damage
+6d8 crit with combat advantage and Gauntlets of Destruction: 30 average damage
+1d10 crit with Devastating Critical and Gauntlets of Destruction: 6 average damage
+5d8 Sneak Attack with Backstabber and Gauntlets of Destruction: 25 average damage
+8 Strength modifier
+6 Duelist's silver dagger
+10 Belt of Titan Strength
+3 Weapon Focus
+2 Light Blade Precision
+1 Two-Weapon Fighting
(+1 Two-Weapon Fighting) for main hand
TOTAL: 96 on main hand dagger

Blade Cascade Non-Critical Damage
2d4 with Gauntlets of Destruction: 6 average damage
+8 Strength modifier
+6 Duelist's silver dagger
+10 Belt of Titan Strength
+3 Weapon Focus
+2 Light Blade Precision
(+1 Two-Weapon Fighting) for main hand
TOTAL: 36 on main hand dagger, 35 on off-hand dagger

Blade Cascade Critical Damage
2d4 maximized: 8 damage
+6d8 crit with combat advantage and Gauntlets of Destruction: 30 average damage
+1d10 crit with Devastating Critical and Gauntlets of Destruction: 6 average damage
+8 Strength modifier
+6 Duelist's silver dagger
+10 Belt of Titan Strength
+3 Weapon Focus
+2 Light Blade Precision
(+1 Two-Weapon Fighting) for main hand
TOTAL: 74 on main hand dagger, 73 on off-hand

Final Statistics
Chances of landing crit on hit with Light Blade Mastery: 2/19
Total average damage on Imperiling Strike with main hand including crits: 62.89

Chances of landing crit on hit with Light Blade Mastery: 2/19
Total average damage on Cascade of Blows hit with main hand including crits: 40
Total average damage on Cascade of Blows hit with off-hand including crits: 39
Total average damage on Cascade of Blows hit with both hands: 39.5

Orcus' maximum hp: 1,525
Orcus' bloodied value: 762
Orcus' effective hp once Imperiling Strike hits: 1,462.11

Number of hits required to deal 700.11 damage to bring Orcus to bloodied after Imperiling Strike: 17.72
Number of hits required to deal 1,462 damage to bring Orcus to dead after Imperiling Strike: 37.01
Number of rerolls available: 4

Many thanks to this here CharOp board for pointing out the potential of Blade Cascade, and to the helpful and dedicated posters in the two 4.0 min-maxing threads on /tg/:

Thread 1: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1874338
Thread 2: http://zip.4chan.org/tg/res/1902297.html

I also have an... I'll call him an "assistant" for now, and he's going to post some more in-depth statistics in this thread, which apparently show that it's very possible to deal enough damage to kill Orcus "twice" by dealing twice his maximum hp in damage.

Good work. Very good CO work. But I don't think it breaks 4e. It shows that it is possible to make a character who is very, very good at killing solos.

This guy wouldn't be nearly as impressive in a normal fight, because Blade Cascade is designed to kill one guy. That's less of a big deal in fights with a bunch of guys on the table.

Another Blade Cascade combo? Wasn't there already one of those? And with the same elements: Blade Cascade, Imperiling Strike, Shadow Assassin...

HagiaSophia wrote:

The best thing i got for now is:

An Elf rogue(scoundrel)/ranger multiclass... using 2 weapons
(High ST and Wis)

Using Ranger´s "Armor Splinter" and Rogue´s "Imperiling Strike"... and everything else he can do to increase its atack bonus and decrease oponent AC(Shadow assasin paragon to +4 in the action point, or a dagger master for extra reroll).

Then... the idea is to drastically drops the oponent relative AC to only miss an atack with a natural 1 roll and chain a "Blade Cascade"(Ranger daily)
(Use the elf feat to reroll the first natural 1)

30 x (2[W] + all bonuses*) total <-- 1 turn(consider you get a surprise)

(I am considering that you ll need the +4 to atacks action point of the shadow assasin to be able to only miss with a 1 roll... otherwise you could reroll again using the dagger master action point...

50 x (2[W] + all bonuses*) total <-- 1 turn(consider you get a surprise)

That is 1 character alone... "Blade Cascade" is freaking imbalanced(especially if consider an entire party that can stack penalties). I guess it is the better way for max DPS.

(There is also a paladin power or feat that make you able to reroll... that ll be 70 x... but for that you need the paladin´s help)

* St bonus, weap enchant bonus, stance bonus, crits average dmg, etc...

Thorvald_Grimbjorn wrote:

Another Blade Cascade combo? Wasn't there already one of those? And with almost the same elements: Blade Cascade, Imperiling Strike...

I already gave credit to the orginal Cascade of Blades thread. In any case, I'm already working on a level 16 version of that which can quite possibly one shot a level 19 solo monster, but with a lesser chance due to the lack of the extra 3 rerolls from Deadly Trickster.

braro wrote:

How does Orcus's "Variable" resistances work against this build? Can't you choose weapon for one of them?

The glossary of the Monster Manual doesn't allow you to pick weapon damage for variable resistance.

Great work, thats some awesome CO work.

The math is there, but is it feasible in game?

Orcus has two abilities that could negate it. First his Dead Rise Aura is a 6 square difficult terrain hazard. Im sure our 30 rog has a way to move 12 squares or shift 12. Right?

Secondly, his Tail Lash is pretty nasty. Whenever our dear Orcuslayer shifts or moves next to Orcus, the demon prince gets a free attack that could potentially send our rogue onto his arse and let the vile one spew his goodness for a round.

Theoretically possible, however, and very viable.