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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:31PM
#961
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Thank you, as I really was beginning to wonder.
You're welcome.
...I am saying that this ring is bad from a game system point. It goes against game design goals...
I've already agreed with you there. But (and it's a big "but"), the actual game effect on creating items is negligible, so it's not worthy of errata.
...Isn't it interesting that we don't factor into these discussions any other use of the ring?
Not particularly. 1/2 price rituals breaks the D&D economy model, too.
So what you're saying is that without some party cohesion, going by standard wealth, not saving and an even distribution of treasure that eventually you will look to purchase a level 26 item. Right?
No, I said if you wanted to do so you can't until 30th level.
......We're going at cross purposes here. You are looking for a point at which the game world will explode. I'm looking at it from a game design stand point...
-James
Look, it's really simple.
I grant you it's bad design (perhaps), but, in practical terms, because it happens so late in the game, the benefit is kept to a reasonable level that has little effect on the game itself, so, really, who cares?? Besides that, it can certainly be argues that it fixes the game's economy that begins to break down at high levels, so that makes ti a good thing..
Answer: You do. 
Finally, in terms of errata, I think WotC has far better things to do than to issue errata over something that really doesn't matter.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:41PM
#962
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Sorry to say this, but doesn't this belong in Errata's?
Also, were do you find this? (if it is in a Dungeon Magazine, I find it not hard to believe, since half the things in there are either Broken or Useless).
Oh, also, I take offense to the 13 year old thing, I find that insulting not only to me, but my group in school.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:47PM
#963
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Sorry to say this, but doesn't this belong in Errata's?
Also, were do you find this? (if it is in a Dungeon Magazine, I find it not hard to believe, since half the things in there are either Broken or Useless).
Oh, also, I take offense to the 13 year old thing, I find that insulting not only to me, but my group in school.
When referring to specific comments in a very long discussion, it would help to quote at least the relevant part of the previous post.
This item is in the Adventurer's Vault book.
This thread was moved from errata As discussed a few posts up from here.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2009 - 4:59PM
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Perhaps you believe that all players are like 13 year olds playing weird computer game with the only aim to create ridiculous characters. This is not a computer game! A character is not supposed to have a certain amound of money or number of magical items at a certain level. The DM may decide to strip the PCs of all belongings at basicly any given time. If the DM does not like a certain Item he may forbid or change it. The items in the AV are nothing but suggestions. I don't see any reason why it should be against the rules. Should it also be against the rules to loot your fallen companion, because they will be making a new character with new magic items and money? I am sure if it would be a computer game a lot of people would do exactly that only to get more money. What I want to say is that you can abuse nearly everything, but it is no reason to call everything broken.
That what I met about the 13 year old comment.
Oh, and I read a bit more, and got some information. (AV seems to have a lot this guy complains about.)
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 9:12PM
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So why did this get moved from the Errata board?
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:52PM
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I just can't believe this thread is still going.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 6:16AM
#967
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To be fair, it was dead for awhile but then others reanimated it when PHB2 gave a second Epic Destiny with the half price power.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 11:07AM
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To be fair, it was dead for awhile but then others reanimated it when PHB2 gave a second Epic Destiny with the half price power.
*wonders if he should cast true death on the thread then*
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4 years ago ::
Apr 20, 2009 - 9:30PM
#969
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Just a quick note: We now have yet another means in Arcane Power, in epic, in the Lorekeeper Epic Destiny's level 24 class feature, of reducing a ritual's gold cost by 1/2. Yet again, this new instance of this mechanic does not specify that it doesn't work on Creation rituals.
This is a pattern. One that WotC keeps repeating. Once again, we are provided additional evidence that this is very likely to be working as intended, and not an oversight. How many times will they repeat this specific mechanical template until there is finally an admission by those opposed to it that WotC is aware of, and tacitly endorsing this specific mechanical interaction?
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4 years ago ::
Apr 20, 2009 - 10:28PM
#970
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So why did this get moved from the Errata board?
We don't know, current guess is because WotC decided it wasn't Errata, but there's no way to tell.
Tectuktitlay, TD has already made it clear that it doesn't matter if the WotC Devs came round to his house and told him that they intended the Ring to do exactly this, because he's decided that reducing the cost on creation rituals is a fundamentally flawed mechanic and should never exist in any form.
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