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Switch to Forum Live View Drawing female Dragonborn: Mamaries or no?
5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 12:51AM #41
Thomson
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My guess: Dragonblod females will look like human females with scales. Until now allmost every mainstream depiction of the females of a somewhat humanoid race in any mainstream publication looked like human females with some skin texture. They would risk too much if they would depart from that aproach, no matter how silly it is if you try to apply a little biology.
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 1:07AM #42
Lubricus
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An interesting thing about mammaries: Most mammals do not have aything resembling "breasts", even though they have mammary glands, and give milk. Human females have a lot more fat than milk glands in their breasts, and the size and shape of the breasts have no practical impact on a given female's ability to feed her young. A quite popular theory among biologists is that the form of a woman's busom is meant to emulate that of her behind, which, apparently, is considered tempting to males of all primates. In other words, a human female's breasts are shaped as they are to excite sexual interest in human males, not to provide nourishment to human babies. You'll note how other apes have mammary glands, but not big, round breasts. The reason, according to the biologists, is that only we humans are fully erect, and tend to view our potential partners from the front. If all this is true, it wouldn't be so strange if all fully erect, sexually active species have the same system, even if they do not feed their young with breast milk. Food for thought?
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 3:15AM #43
makeshiftwings
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LordofNightmares wrote:

Then what will differentiate these dragonborn (reptile-looking non reptile humanoids) from lizardfolk (reptile humanoids)?


The same thing that differentiates lions from tigers and eagles from canaries? Surely there must be more to the diversity of life than "boobs or no boobs"?

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 3:22AM #44
makeshiftwings
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Thomson wrote:

My guess: Dragonblod females will look like human females with scales. Until now allmost every mainstream depiction of the females of a somewhat humanoid race in any mainstream publication looked like human females with some skin texture. They would risk too much if they would depart from that aproach, no matter how silly it is if you try to apply a little biology.


Not necessarily. Look at Eberron: female warforged look exactly the same as male warforged. Changelings can switch gender at will. In many games, the monstrous races make their females look pretty manly, like orcs in D&D and WoW. Dwarven women are sometimes portrayed as having beards and being difficult to tell apart from dwarven men, and elves are often drawn as being androgynous, with the men looking very feminine but both genders being flat-chested and slim-hipped.

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 3:29AM #45
Derren_S.
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Hasn't Kunadam(?) (the one from Hungary) not already said that female Dragonborn will have breats?
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 3:35AM #46
draxynnic
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Lubricus wrote:

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Hadn't heard that explanation - one theory I vaguely remember hearing (but can't remember the details of) was something to do with reducing the chance of the baby suffocating.

It certainly makes sense, though, but it does require that the female's buttocks be a sexual symbol to begin with (and that the buttocks be that rough shape). That theory would work for anything with a tail, and maybe for some humanoids with relatively slender tails (especially if they grow a tuft of hair down the cleavage and onto the stomach to simulate a tail) but a reptilian tail just seems a bit too heavy for that to occur - viewing the reptile from behind would result in seeing the tail rather than buttocks.

So if you assume the same evolutionary pressures are in action with the dragonborn, what you could end up with is a monobreast with the point right in the middle to simulate the end of a reptilian tail. Which may end up with a very similar suggestive bulge when you put armour or clothes over it.

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 4:06AM #47
Lubricus
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draxynnic wrote:

Hadn't heard that explanation - one theory I vaguely remember hearing (but can't remember the details of) was something to do with reducing the chance of the baby suffocating.

It certainly makes sense, though, but it does require that the female's buttocks be a sexual symbol to begin with (and that the buttocks be that rough shape). That theory would work for anything with a tail, and maybe for some humanoids with relatively slender tails (especially if they grow a tuft of hair down the cleavage and onto the stomach to simulate a tail) but a reptilian tail just seems a bit too heavy for that to occur - viewing the reptile from behind would result in seeing the tail rather than buttocks.

So if you assume the same evolutionary pressures are in action with the dragonborn, what you could end up with is a monobreast with the point right in the middle to simulate the end of a reptilian tail. Which may end up with a very similar suggestive bulge when you put armour or clothes over it.


Cool idea! :D

I want to add, however, that I seriously doubt that Dragonborn will look even remotely realistic. Any sentient, bipedal lizard or dragon would look quite inhuman, and that would not sell, unfortunately. So we are going to get humans with scaly skin, as usual.

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 4:09AM #48
Derren_S.
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Considering that many players are against Dragonborn because they don't look like humans with minimal differences (like all other races) I doubt that they will look too inhuman in the end.
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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 4:14AM #49
draxynnic
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Derren S. wrote:

Considering that many players are against Dragonborn because they don't look like humans with minimal differences (like all other races) I doubt that they will look too inhuman in the end.


They'll need to be careful, then, otherwise they might end up dropping them into the Uncanny Valley...

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5 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2007 - 7:22AM #50
Moribund
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I doubt dragonborn will take after dragons by having young being fully independent after birth. That would be extremely creepy. Can you imagine walking infants with teeth and claws?

Assuming dragonborn infants aren't fully developed, how do you think they would care for their young? Do we get into bird-like regurgitation?

I do really appreciate the tail-boob idea. It does make the concept of cleavage funny. How does clothing accentuate a tail-boob?
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