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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:31PM
#11
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2001
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Refer to the Half-Elf Warlock.
I think she actually got a class training feat for free.
And she has a Wizard at will attack power as an encounter.
Yeah. They've said that Half-Elves "multiclass well", so the Half-Elf probably gets a multi-class feat for free at 1st-level.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:40PM
#12
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Date Joined:
Jun 30, 2003
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okay im on the other thread about this to..
So basically, my rogue can dip into warlock by spending 4 whole feats by 10th lv? (im assuming the novice, acolyte and adept feats that have 4th, 7th, and 10th lv next to them mean you have to wait till those levels to gain those feats.) Though shouldn't they list the level requirements for the acolyte, novice and adept under the requirements.
Now I understand why they made such a big deal out of Half Elves being able to multiclass right from the start. So I guess my rogue is gonna be a Half Elf with some kind of innate warlock ability, then as I level I splatter some more warlock feats on to him. I'm still kind of happy because it really depends on what powers you take, and im not to upset that you don't gain a power in addition to taking the multiclass feat since you are only meant to have but so many powers in the first place.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:44PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 26, 2005
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Refer to the Half-Elf Warlock.
I think she actually got a class training feat for free.
And she has a Wizard at will attack power as an encounter.
Wrong. Re-read the half-elf warlock. Note where "Ray of frost" is? It is under at-will powers; it isn't a per encounter power.
The reason they "multiclass well" is, most likely, that at first level they get to choose another class's at-will and use it as an at-will; note that humans have the opposite from what we can tell, an additional at-will in their own class.
This is entirely seperate from multiclassing.
Also, he doesn't have the Arcana skill.
So in short, no.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:48PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2001
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Wrong. Re-read the half-elf warlock. Note where "Ray of frost" is? It is under at-will powers; it isn't a per encounter power.
You're wrong, actually. Those original character sheets were in error. WotC has since put out revised character sheets with corrections made to them. And in the revised version of Tira's character sheet, her At-Will Wizard Power is under the Encounter Power section.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:48PM
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So in short, no.
Apparently those sheets have been updated. They moved her Ray of Frost to encounter and took away the +dex to damage that the Rangers Careful Attack had.
And lastly, what is the Wizards skill training?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:48PM
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So basically, my rogue can dip into warlock by spending 4 whole feats by 10th lv? (im assuming the novice, acolyte and adept feats that have 4th, 7th, and 10th lv next to them mean you have to wait till those levels to gain those feats.) Though shouldn't they list the level requirements for the acolyte, novice and adept under the requirements.
This is what confuses me too. Is it just a poorly formatted table or is there something else going on?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:49PM
#17
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Dec 26, 2007
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I think I found the one thing that I am displeased about with 4E. To be fair, though, I'm not reviled or extremely disappointed.
I have been hearing for months that there was going to be some innovative new system to do "deep multiclassing" that was going to resemble multiclassing in 2E, only in a good way. Something like having class features of two classes with a staggered progression and a detriment like less HP or something.
The multiclass feats are interesting, but I think I was expecting something a little more direct. Such as a feat that gave you a basic class feature of another class in it's full capacity - i.e. a cleric that has a warlord's Inspiring Presence.
I can see why they didn't do it that way, though. 3.5's way of doing it is probably worse still. It's not that I wanted to see 3.5 multiclassing preserved, it was more that I was hoping that the designers would have devised an exciting way of fixing what has historically been a troubling mechanic. I suppose that is not very feasible even with all the changes.
The nice thing is that it shouldn't be difficult, now that I think of it, to make houserules that allow for higher levels of multiclassing. In addition, I've heard there may be an optional rule for classless play made available in a book like the 4E version of Unearthed Arcana. That should make a suitable model for a lot of neat tweaks.
Let it be said that if this is the only thing about 4E that ends up less than satisfactory, I will be a happy girl.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:50PM
#18
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Date Joined:
Aug 15, 2005
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Mouseferatu (Ari Marmell, one of the play testers) posted this at ENworld:
Formatting on that table's a little off. That's going to confuse some people. 
The phrases "feats, xth level" should be with the prerequisites, not the benefits.
IOW, the prerequisite of "Acolyte Power" should read:
Any class-specific multiclass feats, 8th level.
And the benefit should read:
Swap one utility power with one of multiclass
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 9:57PM
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I'm a little confused about what the "4th," "8th" and "10th," are in the multiclass power feats "benefits" mean. If they are prerequisites, wouldn't they be under that column? If not, are they the limit to which you can take that particular power? Like you are limited to 4th level encounter powers or less?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 29, 2008 - 10:02PM
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I'm a little confused about what the "4th," "8th" and "10th," are in the multiclass power feats "benefits" mean. If they are prerequisites, wouldn't they be under that column? If not, are they the limit to which you can take that particular power? Like you are limited to 4th level encounter powers or less?
Please read the post right above yours.
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